uncool2pillow Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Buck Showalter will be the new Orioles field manager. His misery begins Tuesday.There's worse fates than making 6 or 7 figures to sit in Camden Yards watching less than mediocre baseball. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 There's worse fates than making 6 or 7 figures to sit in Camden Yards watching less than mediocre baseball.Yeah. You could pay to do that. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm not sure how that is Sheets's fault, or how that makes him greedy. Well, Sheets & his agent dictated a hefty price for one year and a team paid for him. Why didn't he take less? All 3 parties involved knew his past injury history. They had the "sheets" pulled over their head. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well, Sheets & his agent dictate a hefty price for one year and a team paid for him. They had the "sheets" pulled over their head.And who forced his team to pay him the $ he told them to pay him? Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Why didn't he take less?Because someone was willing to pay him more. What, he's supposed to say "I'm damaged goods, pay me less"? Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 And who forced his team to pay him the $ he told them to pay him? Nobody. My point is more on the preventative risk of spending that type of money on someone with his types of past injuries, especially a pitcher.It seems that lots of teams take these foolish risks and it bites them in the ass.And I'd hate to see that happen with Detroit (as I've said 3-5 times) with someone who has been injured, is pondering retirement or looking for a team to put down $$$ to test him out for a year or so.If he shits the bed in June, they'll be looking at the farm system or at a trade situation to replace him. My point is to avoid all of that by spending their money a lot more wisely. Because someone was willing to pay him more. What, he's supposed to say "I'm damaged goods, pay me less"?Players have given discounts before when they know that they are a risk to any team to take them on. $10 million is not a discount. I know drunks & children who are smarter with their money than some of these baseball executives. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 So how is Ben Sheets to blame again because Oakland chose to pay him $10M? Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Why didn't he take less? He owes it to the players union to get as much as he can. I'm sure Oakland had an insurance policy on the contract. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Players have given discounts before when they know that they are a risk to any team to take them on.Name two. I've heard of players "giving discounts" to play with the club they want to play for, or to free up salary cap space to sign another player, but I can't say I recall a player ever taking a voluntary pay cut just because they had a track record of injuries. Your agent gets you the best deal, period. If it's less than your last deal, that's because no one offered you more. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wade Miller in 2005 for the Red Sox. He took $1.5 million for 1 year. In 2004 Miller had a rotator cuff injury that ended his season in June. John Smoltz in 2009 for the Red Sox. He took $5.5 million for 1 year. He was more of a risk for his age, past injuries and close to retirement. He could have earned up to $10 million if he pitched well enough. Brad Penny in 2009 for the Red Sox. He also took a $5.5 million for 1 year deal. He was another DL case. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Players have given discounts before when they know that they are a risk to any team to take them on.Huh? Wade Miller in 2005 for the Red Sox. He took $1.5 million for 1 year. In 2004 Miller had a rotator cuff injury that ended his season in June. John Smoltz in 2009 for the Red Sox. He took $5.5 million for 1 year. He was more of a risk for his age, past injuries and close to retirement. He could have earned up to $10 million if he pitched well enough. Brad Penny in 2009 for the Red Sox. He also took a $5.5 million for 1 year deal. He was another DL case.They didn't "give discounts", though. That's what they were worth at that time. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Huh? They didn't "give discounts", though. That's what they were worth at that time.What he said. It's not as if the team said "We want to pay you $10 mil." and the player responded "No no no no. Give me $5.5 mil instead. YOU keep the rest." Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 This is a bit and you are all falling for it. But I am not. Suckers. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 They didn't "give discounts", though. That's what they were worth at that time. Was Ben Sheets worth $10 million? Brad Penny signed a 3 year deal in 2005 for $25 million which is a little bit over $8 million per year. He could have asked for $8 million, but he ended up with $5.5 in 2009. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Was Ben Sheets worth $10 million? Brad Penny signed a 3 year deal in 2005 for $25 million which is a little bit over $8 million per year. He could have asked for $8 million, but he ended up with $5.5.Someone or something is "worth" whatever someone else is willing to pay. This is a bit and you are all falling for it. But I am not. Suckers.You're a bit! Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Someone or something is "worth" whatever someone else is willing to pay. In fact, Milwaukee paid Sheets $38.5 million for 4 years in 2005 which is $9.6 million per year. 2005 A lot of time on the DL. 10-92006 see above. 6-72007 On the DL from August to end of the year. 12-52008 13-92009 Did not play at all. 2010 Receives $10 million from the A's for his past "achievements". Winds up at 4-9 and on the DL in July. How is that worth $10 million? Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 This is a bit and you are all falling for it. But I am not. Suckers.How about that R.A. Dickey? Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm sure Oakland had an insurance policy on the contract.Maybe. Maybe not. Insurance companies won't always insure athletes with a history of injuries, especially a recent history. In a case like Sheets, if there was insurance, the policy either didn't cover much, had high deductables, or high premiums. Most likely the insurance wasn't worth it, so they didn't buy any. They made a high risk investment and it didn't return. It happens a lot. At least it was only one season. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 How about that R.A. Dickey? Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Oswalt approves deal to Philadelphia, awaiting MLB approval. Apparently Houston will pay for a large chunk of what remains on Oswalt's current deal. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Someone or something is "worth" whatever someone else is willing to pay. In fact, Milwaukee paid Sheets $38.5 million for 4 years in 2005 which is $9.6 million per year. 2005 A lot of time on the DL. 10-92006 see above. 6-72007 On the DL from August to end of the year. 12-52008 13-92009 Did not play at all. 2010 Receives $10 million from the A's for his past "achievements". Winds up at 4-9 and on the DL in July. How is that worth $10 million?What part of Jules post did you not get? He may have had his pitching arm amputated, if someone pays him $10 million or $10,000, that's what he's worth. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 What part of Jules post did you not get? He may have had his pitching arm amputated, if someone pays him $10 million or $10,000, that's what he's worth. What someone is "Worth" is not necessarily the same as what someone is going to get paid. I understand completely what he means, but why do people say so and so was "over paid" or he was "under paid"? What they mean is that he was "worth" more or less than what they got him for. In the end, Sheets was not "worth" the $10 million, although that's how much they paid him. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 What someone is "Worth" is not necessarily the same as what someone is going to get paid. Actually, it is. I understand completely what he means, but why do people say so and so was "over paid" or he was "under paid"? What they mean is that he was "worth" more or less than what they got him for.Those people are idiots. In the end, Sheets was not "worth" the $10 million, although that's how much they paid him.Hindsight and all that. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Is it "worth" it to spend $250 for nose bleeds to see Neil Diamond?Sure, that is how much they are worth, but they are not necessarily "worth" plopping down $250 to see him through binoculars or beer goggles. Link to post Share on other sites
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