Politics 2016 (election edition)

[John Smith]

I'm pissed off because I was hoping that Hillary would be a uniter. I want our president to be a uniter. She's going to be the president of the deplorables too. She can call homophobia, islamophobia, xenophobia, etc. all deplorable without saying that those people themselves are deplorable.

I think part of her strategy is to try and unite a bit. She calls out the alt-right and is trying to get the moderates to work with her against trump. The hard core trumpers will never come to her or work with her, so she has to cull them from the herd and woo the moderates.

 

She probably f'd up with her statement, but I think it will be a short term thing because, well trump will talk and be himself, and if the debate moderators are on point Hillary will wreck him.

[KevinG]

I'm pissed off because I was hoping that Hillary would be a uniter. I want our president to be a uniter. She's going to be the president of the deplorables too. She can call homophobia, islamophobia, xenophobia, etc. all deplorable without saying that those people themselves are deplorable. 

 

I am sorry but racists, homophobes, xenophobes,etc. are deplorable.  They are the scum of the earth.  The people Clinton is decrying will never except her as president.  Why should she extend a courtesy to people who would like her shot for treason?  Or a person who refuses to see her as an equal because of her sex?  Just because she wants to be president she has to tip toe around these assholes and not call a spade a spade?    Now I am not putting all Trump supporters in this group, nor am I putting all of conservatism in this group.  Nor is Clinton.  

 

The alt-right, racist wing that has taken control of the GOP.  These are the deplorables.  You keep thinking Clinton is lumping all of the right in this group.  Please realize this is not what she said.  Unfortunately it was misconstrue and inferred that she did.  She is trying differentiate the far right racists form the moderates.  She is saying, look at GOP, look what has taken over the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Regan.  Look at your candidate, look at his rhetoric, look at these groups that support him.  Is this what you want your party to be?  

[Passenger Sid]

I want our president to be a uniter. She's going to be the president of the deplorables too. She can call homophobia, islamophobia, xenophobia, etc. all deplorable without saying that those people themselves are deplorable. 

 

I like that.

 

Also, the extreme wacky right don't hold a monopoly on being "deplorable". It could be argued that many on the extreme left fall in the same category.

 

I know people who will vote for Trump. To my knowledge, they are NONE of the labels listed above. I think it's greatly unfair and somewhat offensive. Personally, I think many feel Obama isn't a strong leader. They are forced to decide between 2 not-great candidates. Many think Trump is the stronger of the 2.

[Winston Legthigh]

You keep thinking Clinton is lumping all of the right in this group.  

Please. 

 

Don't tell me what I think, thank you.

[KevinG]

Please. 

 

Don't tell me what I think, thank you.

 

Jesus man.  I guess I just "inferred" that from this statement:

 

It's not the "deplorables" being insulted that I'm worrying about. It's the undecided voters being insulted that worries me. Clinton basically told them that if you don't vote for her, you're racist. 

 

I guess it is only ok to infer things of a presidential candidate.  

 

Fuck it I am done.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not the "deplorables" being insulted that I'm worrying about. It's the undecided voters being insulted that worries me. Clinton basically told them that if you don't vote for her, you're racist. 

 

Knowing people's penchant of getting reactionary and defensive (rather than introspective) when they've been challenged/insulted, and knowing Clinton's lack of charisma, and knowing that you can catch more flies with sugar...

 

[lost highway]

I know people who will vote for Trump. To my knowledge, they are NONE of the labels listed above. I think it's greatly unfair and somewhat offensive.

Doesn't this make them the other, non-basket half?

 

Maybe they get upset because they've seen the videos of Trump supporters at rallys and don't want to get lumped in with the other nut bars they're voting with.

[John Smith]

I would imagine most of Trumps supporters feel that they are in the other basket, even those who advocate overtly racist messages, because it's not racist to them, it's just normal talk.

[KevinG]

Today, Trump will appear on the Dr. Oz show.  So after 240 or so years of democracy, it has come to this.  A candidate for the most powerful position in all of the world is going on TV show hosted by a Doctor who deals in medical quackery to prove his health to the American people.

 

On the plus side I found out I have the exact height and weight as Trump.  So I got that going for me, which is nice.   

[Lammycat]

Well, Calvin Coolidge enjoyed having petroleum jelly rubbed on his head as he ate his breakfast in bed.It's a big ol'

 goofy world.

[Sir Stewart]

Just for the heck of it I took this quiz.  Strangely Clinton and Stein are only a few percentage points different.  Go figure.  

 

No I already have said the difference between Clinton and Stein (the loser) is just a figment of the partisan left's imagination.  

 

LouIeB

 

You changed your name??

[John Smith]

Ok, I just read a story on the Bundy trial out in Oregon...is Bundys attorney really named Marcus Mumford? Or is that some sort of LATimes joke?

[Doctor B]

I am sorry but racists, homophobes, xenophobes,etc. are deplorable. They are the scum of the earth. The people Clinton is decrying will never except her as president. Why should she extend a courtesy to people who would like her shot for treason? Or a person who refuses to see her as an equal because of her sex? Just because she wants to be president she has to tip toe around these assholes and not call a spade a spade? Now I am not putting all Trump supporters in this group, nor am I putting all of conservatism in this group. Nor is Clinton.

 

The alt-right, racist wing that has taken control of the GOP. These are the deplorables. You keep thinking Clinton is lumping all of the right in this group. Please realize this is not what she said. Unfortunately it was misconstrue and inferred that she did. She is trying differentiate the far right racists form the moderates. She is saying, look at GOP, look what has taken over the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Regan. Look at your candidate, look at his rhetoric, look at these groups that support him. Is this what you want your party to be?

[John Smith]

Trump wants earnings and profits to be repatriated at a 10% tax rate? Currently if you earn profits overseas, depending on your organizational structure, you pay the us tax rates adjusted by credits for foreign tax paid.

 

If the rate was 10% that absolutely incentivizes companies to push operations overseas and move profits to low tax jurisdictions. Make America great again indeed.

[Doctor B]

I guess it depends on your perspective. I have been on this board for awhile and have been referred as racist, islamaphobe, rube etc. The level of smugness here is pretty unreal. I also find it absurd that you insist the republican party has been hijacked by the alt-right. This is coming from a party of Obama, Clinton, and Bernie. There are no moderate Democrats left. Kennedy would not be in your party today. Neither would LBJ.

 

I think many are fed up with Washington, backroom deals, lies, and empty rhetoric regardless of party, political background, or social status. Trump/ Sanders have a lot more in common than many care to admit.

 

I voted for Kasich in my primary. I think he beats Hillary easily. I don't know who I am voting for- but I will never vote for Hillary.

[lost highway]

I also find it absurd that you insist the republican party has been hijacked by the alt-right. This is coming from a party of Obama, Clinton, and Bernie. There are no moderate Democrats left. Kennedy would not be in your party today. Neither would LBJ.

 

Interesting, many folks I talk to on the right feel the Trump movement is a total hijacking. We've never seen rhetoric like his from a candidate in my lifetime.

 

I find Obama fairly moderate and Clinton slightly moreso. What in her policy strikes you as more radical left?

[ih8music]

I had the same reaction -- Bernie, I'll give you that he's a radical lefty. But Obama and (especially) Hillary? They're about as moderate as Kasich is, just slightly to the left of center vs Kasich's right.

[John Smith]

I know many people who are pretty far right who think they them selves are centrists, so from their perspective the actual center looks pretty far left.

 

Anyone who disagrees that the alt-right has hijacked the party needs to look at their party's nominee and how he got there and who his advisors are. Though you could argue that the alt-right did not hijack the party, it's just who and what the party has become.

 

I don't believe Kasich is as moderate as he is made out to be. I just think that next to those other candidates he looked the most reasonable.

[KevinG]

I really think that people think and believe Obama and Clinton are these leftist monsters is because the media tells them they are.  If you look straight up at Obama's polices he is pretty moderate, in fact nearly right of center.  

[lost highway]

Remember the death panels?

 

Remember the crack heads with Obama phones?

[KevinG]

Remember the death panels?

 

Remember the crack heads with Obama phones?

Remember when Obama was totally born in Kenya?

[John Smith]

Remember his "Black Liberation Theology" and the reverend Wright? They impeded the gun on that one, who knew at the time that he was a anti colonial Kenyan born secret Muslim bent on the utter destruction of the US? Good times, good times.

[Winston Legthigh]

Kennedy would not be in your party today. Neither would LBJ.

 

 

 

Invite me to the next seance so we can ask Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan what they think of today's GOP. You know, the party where no living GOP former president bothered to show up for the most recent national convention?

[John Smith]

What party would Kennedy and LBJ be in these days? Voting rights act? Peace Corps? Food assistance programs? Medicare? Anti pollution bills? Minimum wage bill? Integration? Anti discrimination orders? War on poverty? All of these and many more are Republican Party wish list items//snark off

[jff]

Is this a joke?  ^^

[Lammycat]

What party would Kennedy and LBJ be in these days? Voting rights act? Peace Corps? Food assistance programs? Medicare? Anti pollution bills? Minimum wage bill? Integration? Anti discrimination orders? War on poverty? All of these and many more are Republican Party wish list items.

What?