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My take is that Matt Sharp is actually the song writing connoiseur. He left Weezer after the Pinkerton album, and so did the whimsical tunage (there are a few exceptions ie "Island In the Sun"). I think it's apparent when you listen to the 1st Rentals album that he was definetly the witty specialist.

 

p.s. Pinkerton is my fave Weezer album

 

I've seen many people on VC imply that Sharp was the reason for Weezer's brilliance, and I strongly disagree. It is well known that for Pinkerton, Rivers essentially became an autocrat. No one but him was allowed to write the songs; essentially, as amg describes it, Weezer became a vehicle for his songwriting. And as far as wittiness is concerned, I mean, yea, Matt's vocals are funny in El Scorcho, but Pinkerton in by no means and funny album.

 

And while most would say that TGA and MALA don't hold a candle to the first two, there are plenty of examples of pop mastery. Island, Photograph, O Girlfriend, Dope Nose, Slave, Keep Fishin, December are only a few songs that come to mind. The lyrics are rather phoned-in, but there's an obvious reason for that.

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I've seen many people on VC imply that Sharp was the reason for Weezer's brilliance, and I strongly disagree. It is well known that for Pinkerton, Rivers essentially became an autocrat. No one but him was allowed to write the songs; essentially, as amg describes it, Weezer became a vehicle for his songwriting.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think Matt Sharp is the sole reason early Weezer was a good band. But I do think he played a role. It doesn't really matter who wrote what or how well he could play bass and sing backup vocals...sometimes all the weird little dynamics that make a band work with a certain line-up end up not clicking with different people involved.

 

Hell, Matt Sharp in 2007 may not work with that band either, but I'd certainly be interested to hear what they'd come up with. I'm not at all interested to hear a follow up to "Beverly Hills" though.

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I think Pinkerton is at times hysterical. "The Good Life", "El Scorcho", "Why Bother", and "Pink Triangle" are all clever and witty and pretty damn funny.

 

"I know I should get next to you

You've got a look that made me think you're cool

But it's just sexual attraction

Not something real so I'd rather keep wackin'"

 

 

Gold, Jerry!

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I think Pinkerton is at times hysterical. "The Good Life", "El Scorcho", "Why Bother", and "Pink Triangle" are all clever and witty and pretty damn funny.

 

"I know I should get next to you

You've got a look that made me think you're cool

But it's just sexual attraction

Not something real so I'd rather keep wackin'"

Gold, Jerry!

 

 

Ceratinly out of context these songs are funny, though in sequence I feel they just show how emotionally tortured Rivers was while he was writing.

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It doesn't really matter who wrote what or how well he could play bass and sing backup vocals...sometimes all the weird little dynamics that make a band work with a certain line-up end up not clicking with different people involved.

 

Hell, Matt Sharp in 2007 may not work with that band either, but I'd certainly be interested to hear what they'd come up with. I'm not at all interested to hear a follow up to "Beverly Hills" though.

 

 

This is a good point, though in Weezer's case I disagree. I've watched a lot of video interviews/dvd footage from the era, and Matt, in general, seems a jerk who wasn't a positive influence*. Then again, perhaps this inspired Rivers artistically, but I don't really think negativity leads to great results.

 

 

*I'm well aware Rivers has been just as bad, if not worse.

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Ceratinly out of context these songs are funny, though in sequence I feel they just show how emotionally tortured Rivers was while he was writing.

 

They show at the very least that he could be self deprecating.

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Actually, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18P9ACyyZ14

now has me interested in the new Weezer album. Kinda.

 

:omg Wow. This guy should be famous. I mean, you know, like Internet famous. Like the Star Wars kid. I half expected him to come with "This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass" as he smashed ThisIsAGayMan's Corvette to pieces.

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:thumbup I had no idea this album was loved so much. Just bought it again for the second time 2 weeks ago.

"Goddamn you half Japanese girls do it to me everytime"

oh the redhead said you shred the cello

and i'm jello, baby

 

i just dusted blue and pink off the other day thx to this thread. in fact, i'll say it again:

 

pinkerton.

 

what a great album.

 

hey. should i check out maladroit?

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Then again, perhaps this inspired Rivers artistically, but I don't really think negativity leads to great results.

Hey, the Beatles were a gigantic clusterfuck of animosity when they recorded their last three albums, and they have held up okay.

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pinkerton.

 

what a great album.

 

hey. should i check out maladroit?

 

If you want to be severely disappointed in Weezer's direction and songwriting.

 

I am not looking forward to the next one as Make Believe was the first album I refused to purchase after streaming it on their MySpace.

 

I put Beverly Hills in the "Worst Songs Ever Written" list. It still makes me cringe.

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If you want to be severely disappointed in Weezer's direction and songwriting.

 

Yep, although I think Maladriot was a little less "half ass" than the Green album was, it's still nothing compared to Blue and Pinkerton.

 

I actually enjoyed the Green album when it first came out.. I guess because I was just kidding myself.. It was hard to accept that Weezer had gone sour..

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I think it's a near certainty that they'll never make anything that ever approaches the greatness of the Blue album and Pinkerton again, but I'm always interested in what they're doing. It seems Rivers has finally changed his position on Pinkerton, which is nice, but in the same interview (over at Pitchfork) he talks about being more "conservative" in his writing these days. Anyone hoping for anything like Pinkerton is going to be disappointed.

 

Pitchfork: How do you feel about Pinkerton now' date=' as it's become a sort of cult favorite, and the favorite of many Weezer fans?

 

RC: Pinkerton's great. It's super-deep, brave, and authentic. Listening to it, I can tell that I was really going for it when I wrote and recorded a lot of those songs.[/quote']

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There are a bunch of gems on the later Weezer records. I guess I don't see how songs like "O Girlfriend" and "Slave" are somehow worse than "Holiday", "The World Has Turned..." etc. The problem is that people want an immature, college-age spill-your-guts album from a guy pushing 40 who's into meditation. Pinkerton is such a great album partly because it's such an embarrassing listen.

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The problem is that people want an immature, college-age spill-your-guts album from a guy pushing 40 who's into meditation. Pinkerton is such a great album partly because it's such an embarrassing listen.

Bev-er-ly Hills

That's where I wanna be!

Gimme gimme!

Gimme gimme!

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There are a bunch of gems on the later Weezer records. I guess I don't see how songs like "O Girlfriend" and "Slave" are somehow worse than "Holiday", "The World Has Turned..." etc. The problem is that people want an immature, college-age spill-your-guts album from a guy pushing 40 who's into meditation. Pinkerton is such a great album partly because it's such an embarrassing listen.

Okay, first off, for the record, I was like... 14 when I bought The Green Album, before that I listened to whatever was popular of the day, Blink-182 and Linkin Park. I remember listening to The Green Album that summer and hearing O Girlfriend for the first time, a song that today I'd say has a pretty (but ultimately only mediocre) melody and being blown away ... it was like something clicked with me, that completely changed my musical direction. However, saying O Girlfriend is as good as Holiday or The World Has Turned is ludicrous. O Girlfriend seems as if Rivers found some notes that go well together and that "taking pills and mellowing out" bit and then stopped writing the song. It sits there, boring and lifeless. Fuck, even the lead guitar plays those same notes. Holiday though, hits you like a punch in the face... it's more then just one idea like O Girlfriend is. It's got that brilliant break down with the "we will write a postcard to our friends and family" with just the bass and the harmonies and then the drums build up... it's a great moment. The World Has Turned is the similar with the "do you believe" bit. O Girlfriend has nothing like that. However, compared to what I was listening to at the time, it was incredible. Different enough to make me notice but not too different to scare me off. I bet there's quiet a few people who first got exposed to good music from The Green Album. As for Slave, well, I listened to Maladroit a lot, and I can't even recall how it sounds.

Pinkerton is a great record cause it's honest. The Green Album/Maladroit/Make Believe are just records of a guy trying lazily to recapture his former glory.

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There are a bunch of gems on the later Weezer records. I guess I don't see how songs like "O Girlfriend" and "Slave" are somehow worse than "Holiday", "The World Has Turned..." etc. The problem is that people want an immature, college-age spill-your-guts album from a guy pushing 40 who's into meditation. Pinkerton is such a great album partly because it's such an embarrassing listen.

"The World Has Turned..." is better than the last three weezer records put together.

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