bobbob1313 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 We don't really need something on the scale of the New Deal, as long as the bottom does not totally fall out. We need a solution to health care, for sure, and infrastructure repair, which would add jobs. Some help for people caught up in the subprime mortgage mess would be good, too, but I am not completely in favor of saving people from their own stupidity. Lord knows I have had to pay for mine, and others should too. Well, if we're going to bail out the companies who did it, the individuals should get some help too, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 That would have ben difficult since this happened yesterday. Perhaps you are confusing this story with the one I told about another friend of hers who thinks obam is the antichrist?This is true. I stand corrected. Home of Obama, Ayers and Wilco (and me). It is also the home to some of the country's best hospitals though -- NW Memorial and UofC just to name a coupleand Jules! Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yeah, I would say the Democratic House and Senate balance out Bush. I guess we will have to disagree here as the adminsitration is pretty much still telling the congress to F-off with their oversight. Executive privledge on all fronts. Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Free campaign idea for McCain. Since he's all about cutting taxes, and since he and his wife are incredibly wealthy, why not offer to work gratis as President? Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 So rather than trumpeting it as the answer to our economic woes, shouldn't we look to it as an example of an emergency safety net? Are things bad enough where we need it yet? I don't think so. It should be kept in the back of our minds if things get so bad that we are dealing with double digit unemployment and massive food shortages, but I wouldn't be very optimistic if Obama tried to revisit the New Deal it as a way to stimulate the economy, as FHF suggests. I'm not very confident in either's abilities to get the economy going again in their term. But I also don't think either will have much of an impact. It's going to do what it is going to do. I think we should view it as a piece of the pie. I think we should be proactive with it. We all agree that our infrastructure is crumbling. Alternative energy component manufacturing, installation, & maintenance. Someone said healthcare, in terms of reducing our burden in this area. I know next to nothing about healthcare, so it's a piece of the pie, but one I can't speak to. Education. Pay to play. The Kennedy era saw a push for civic duty. Obama sees that as important but understands how different our time constraints are nowadays. Invest in civic duty, get an education credit for college. Great idea. I know Obama believes in Defense but I am guessing, hoping, assuming his war expenditures will be less than Bush's. Krugman was discussing on NPR that our debt is big, but as compared to our massive economic system our ability to turn the economy around is doable, if directed correctly. The economic summit in a few weeks may show us what they have in store. Food. Gut the Ag office. Pollan discusses a transition to solar agriculture instead of fossil fuel agriculture. This will reduce our fossil input and carbon footprint meanwhile producing food we can eat instead of process (more input) that has been shown to make us unhealthy. Neither campaign was that interested in Pollan's proposal. Obama eats arugula, but voted for the farm bill so I am uncertain here. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Wow, Mr. Mountain Bed must be doing some serious campaigning in Indiana! Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I know Obama believes in Defense but I am guessing, hoping, assuming his war expenditures will be less than Bush's. they'd better be. i'm guessing they will be. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Black turnout is strong in early voting in South By MIKE BAKER, Associated Press Writer Mike Baker, Associated Press Writer Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I don't think our present system can address the kind of social change I think necessary for the long term survival and safety of the majority of the earth's people and resources. I certainly don't think it can address political reform, as to get to that level these folks need to sell their souls (sorry Maker). So yeah, I'm of the revolution ilk. I'd get going on but I'm not prepared to get arrested until my kid is emancipated. I'd offer to watch Spawn, but I'll be on the front lines myself. Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 There is a third party debate tonight on cspan featuring Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin. It can bee seen online at http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx or on televison on cspan2. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 'The Deuce' Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 McCain leads by 20 in S.C. poll says Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I used to have this discussion with my ex and her people quite often, they being idealists and working hard for the DFL, were all about how they were making a difference and that their candidate of choice (Kerry in 2004) was going to be the tool for evolutionary change in government. I being a bit more on the cynical side (and conservative to boot) argued that we will keep replaying the current cycle of Democrat-Republican-Up-Down until things get so bad there would be a very real revolution, until then comfort zones and complacency will win every time.Democrat-Republican-Up-Down ... that's about right :-P Seriously, we'll never know about Kerry because he never got a chance. Regardless of 3rd party options and symbolic votes, our politics is a dichotomy of choice. If one candidate has shown bad judgment or we're not better off after four years -- or even heading in a right direction, or an acknowledgment that adjustments are necessary, there's no reason to continue in that direction, and "up" is in order. In all sincerity, I don't understand how, after four years of Bush, regardless of your core values or conservative principles, there was reasoning to give him four more. I would hope that, if Obama gets elected and fails to prove his mettle, that those who support him would be able to deal as pragmatically. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 In all sincerity, I don't understand how, after four years of Bush, regardless of your core values or conservative principles, there was reasoning to give him four more. I would hope that, if Obama gets elected and fails to prove his mettle, that those who support him would be able to deal as pragmatically. I wouldn't bet on it. That's just the way it goes for the 30-35% of loyalists to either party. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Free campaign idea for McCain. Since he's all about cutting taxes, and since he and his wife are incredibly wealthy, why not offer to work gratis as President?What is that, $1.2 million? Link to post Share on other sites
turtlegirl37 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Oh, I certainly hope so. We've tried.. I talked about this in the rtt, but Monday night I came home from work and my OBAMA/BIDEN sign had been stolen from my yard. I went to a friend's house (the guy who got his sign with me) and was bitching about it. He calls me up the next day - HIS sign had been stolen too! Fuckers. So I guess it's a good thing we had backup - we both just put another sign out the next day. My husband put up two homemade wooden Obama signs. They are nailed to hedge fence posts ... not going anywhere anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 My husband put up two homemade wooden Obama signs. They are nailed to hedge fence posts ... not going anywhere anytime soon. Say goodbye to your hedge fence posts... Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I think we should view it as a piece of the pie. I think we should be proactive with it. We all agree that our infrastructure is crumbling. Alternative energy component manufacturing, installation, & maintenance. I think this is kind of pie in the sky. What sort of components are you talking about? You know the wind energy components are imported? At some point we're going to have to realize nuclear energy is our best and quickest way out of the energy quagmire. Someone said healthcare, in terms of reducing our burden in this area. I know next to nothing about healthcare, so it's a piece of the pie, but one I can't speak to. I like what Obama has is offering. Talk about jobs, a more efficient health care system -- aimed at preventive efforts, organized data, able to treat basic care in a systematic and productive method. This is could be one of his earliest and more significant contributions. Education. Pay to play. The Kennedy era saw a push for civic duty. Obama sees that as important but understands how different our time constraints are nowadays. Invest in civic duty, get an education credit for college. Great idea. I think this is about as possible as Bush's faith-based initiative. It's a great idea but the actual practice of this would truly have people calling Obama a socialist. I know Obama believes in Defense but I am guessing, hoping, assuming his war expenditures will be less than Bush's. I would say figuring military spending will be less is being very naive. While an exit from Iraq will draw out troops, the numbers will merely be relocated. There are too many hot spots in the world to deal with at once; hopefully he can be more productive with the same forces; maybe through his "civic duty" he can grow the military. While many accuse Biden of putting his foot in the mouth, I think it is very reasonable to expect some sort of response and early in the administration -- if not between now and Jan. 20. Krugman was discussing on NPR that our debt is big, but as compared to our massive economic system our ability to turn the economy around is doable, if directed correctly. The economic summit in a few weeks may show us what they have in store. Where is this $700B coming from? and the $250B on top of that. We have dug ourselves such a deep hole, we could be close to just signing the lease for the country over to China, with India picking up the balance. Food. Gut the Ag office. Pollan discusses a transition to solar agriculture instead of fossil fuel agriculture. This will reduce our fossil input and carbon footprint meanwhile producing food we can eat instead of process (more input) that has been shown to make us unhealthy. Neither campaign was that interested in Pollan's proposal. Obama eats arugula, but voted for the farm bill so I am uncertain here.The USDA is growing not shrinking, with laws on the books that require commodities to be traced from farm to plate, to label and make this information available to governments, and citizens. There's the question of how much to continue pouring into ethanol. The lobby is just so incredibly strong, it's like the U.S. textile industry. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 the big shit and assembly, until the U.S. gets serious about mechanical controls. Maintenance is difficult to export, I think. Nuclear ain't quick and requires waste handling. I agree that it should be a portion but not exclusive. They already call him a socialist and this isn't socialism. We have a similar setup in MO where students with decent HS GPA's tutor elementary kids while in HS and receive state funded scholarships. It could expanded or push some money to states to help fund it, maybe matched dollars. the base budget will undoubtedly remain the same, but hopefully we decrease our overt attitude to decrease robbing from domestic programs to pay for military operations. ethanol is just part of the problem, the USDA needs to back off of their mandates to allow free markets in agriculture (see New Zealand). Allow trade w/ Cuba. They make it illegal to grow real food, let alone not encourage it. Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Opie rocks the vote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 That was a damn good SNL skit just now. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 What a craaaazy world we live in: former W press secretary Scott McClellan endorsed Obama. I did NOT see that one comin'. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Tina Fey makes Sarah Palin seem sexier than she is. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Tina Fey makes Sarah Palin seem sexier than she is. In other news: I heard there was a porn movie out now with a Palin look-alike in it. Hmmm... Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I heard she has accepted a sweet offer from Playboy Link to post Share on other sites
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