The Official Bob Dylan Thread

[MattZ]

has anyone listened to Positively Van Gogh which Dylan and Robertson recorded in a hotel room in Denver back in '66? this recording has eluded me for way too long and I just listened to it tonight for the first time. wow, its some good stuff!

 

 

oh hell the fuck yeah

[jc4prez]

I know this is going to piss people off but I really can not not say it.

 

 

What a fucking joke. Shame on all the performers who consider themselves advocates of civil rights.

[MattZ]

I know this is going to piss people off but I really can not not say it.

 

 

What a fucking joke. Shame on all the performers who consider themselves advocates of civil rights.

 

what's got you down, jc4prez?

[Central Scrutinizer]

I guess the Civil Rights Concert is going be tonight, rather than tomorrow

 

White house link

 

 

 

I am assuming PBS will still run it on Thurs.

... and repeatedly through Pledge Week.

[jc4prez]

what's got you down, jc4prez?

 

http://www.aclu.org/america-unrestored

 

I don't think Obama is anything close to a civil rights advocate.

 

 

ETA: I'm also sick of celebs kissing his ass who talked shit on Bush.

[calvino]

http://www.aclu.org/america-unrestored

 

I don't think Obama is anything close to a civil rights advocate.

 

 

Because Obama, in his first year, only performed a third (1/3) of the ACLU's 142 discrete recommendations to address 66 specific problems or issues is the reason why Baez and Dylan did not do a duet. He isn't worthy.

 

 

The main jest of the event was:

 

A Celebration of Music from the Civil Rights Movement

 

The 2010 White House music series kicks off with "In Performance at the White House: A Celebration of Music from the Civil Rights Movement" - a concert celebrating Black History month.

 

I agree he can and should do more (and I think will a the years progress), but I think Obama is qualified to put on the above event, no?

[LouieB]

http://www.aclu.org/america-unrestored

 

I don't think Obama is anything close to a civil rights advocate.

 

 

Wow man....

 

The very fact of his election is a huge civil rights victory. No matter what you think about him, his politics, his year in office or anything else political, most of us who are a bit older could not have conceived of the Pres being of color 20 or 30 years ago. Perhaps it is even progress that you think there is nothing unsual about him being elected, but not even 50 yeara ago black (and some white) people were being killed simply for the right of blacks to vote, not mention eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, etc., (much less marry or even have sex with...)with white people. I suggest you read Taylor Branch's trilogy about the King years. The 1950s and 60s may seem like ancient history, but some of us remember them pretty clearly.

 

LouieB

[jc4prez]

Wow man....

 

The very fact of his election is a huge civil rights victory. No matter what you think about him, his politics, his year in office or anything else political, most of us who are a bit older could not have conceived of the Pres being of color 20 or 30 years ago. Perhaps it is even progress that you think there is nothing unsual about him being elected, but not even 50 yeara ago black (and some white) people were being killed simply for the right of blacks to vote, not mention eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, etc., (much less marry or even have sex with...)with white people. I suggest you read Taylor Branch's trilogy about the King years. The 1950s and 60s may seem like ancient history, but some of us remember them pretty clearly.

 

LouieB

 

Lou, I agree it is unreal that he was elected. It says something about the American people, not the man. I could see some kind of celebratory concert having took place before he took office or right after. But its only a distraction at this point, we need to move on.

 

If you take the time took look at the report the ACLU put together you'll see that his record on civil rights is nothing to be celebrating. I'm not surprised to see Dylan playing the concert but Baez spoke a lot of shit about George Bush and like the report shows Obamas politics aren't much different when it comes to civil rights or war.

[LouieB]

Okay fine. So what we are talking about here are really two different sets of civil rights. Admittedly the US government (and not all of this can be either controled or turned on a dime by Obama) hasn't changed some of the Bush era policies (and actually policies that have been in place for decades).

 

Once again, read Taylor Branch's books. At the same time Johnson was pushing through major civil rights legislation the FBI was spying their asses off and attempting to undermine grassroots organizations and their leadership. It is un-realistic (sadly) to expect one administration to change basic governmental policy. But even on some specific issues (and frankly I am not taking the time to read all of this), there have been changes. Just scrolling through there are plenty of yeses among a sea of nos. The ACLU, because of its mission, sets a very high bar. Good for them; someone has to, but does anyone thing that under a McCain/Palin (and perhaps the upcoming Palin) presidency there would be ANY Yeses? Actually scrolling though this document the "classic" civil rights issues come up pretty well under Obama. Meanwhile even on something as basic as "don't ask, don't tell" McCain refuses now to back military experts who say it doesn't work. We will eventually see the end of this under Obama, though obviously it is taking way more time than anyone wants.

 

Meanwhile if suddenly "commie, socialist, US destroying " Obama turned over every single one of these policies, the ACLU would have nothing to do.

 

On another note not even connected to this thread, give a listen to Rush Limbaugh for a change. The man consistantly says that Obama has got to be stopped before he destroys this country. All of us on the left can bitch and moan about the do nothing Obama administration, a position I don't support, and the wimpy spinless Democrats in Congress, something I whole heartedly believe, and continue to stay away from the voting booths and we WILL get the facsism this country so richly deserves. That does not mean that groups like the ACLU shouldn't keep the Obama administrations feet to the fire. All of us have to keep the pressure on all our elected officials and those who are unelected as well (which are the folks who make up all these goofy policies by the way.)

 

But if we don't take time to also take the long view of how far we have come in some respects and celebrate what has been accomplished, we also will not move forward. Civil liberties are important, but many many countries have far less civil liberties and civil rights than the good old US of A.

 

End of soap box.

 

LouieB

[HungryHippo]

I hate to be the guy that always posts youtube vids in threads, but I just came across this earlier in the day and can't stop listening... it's total perfection. I love how Bob grins after certain lines then quickly tries to conceal his amusement.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHxJF1y2Auk

[Sir Stewart]

Thanks for posting that. I love that song so much. Great performance. Lucky bastards in that crowd.

[froggie]

[The High Heat]

I couldn't help but attach your sig with this photo.

[HungryHippo]

and this was the only time President Obama has ever been nervous. Dylan's met Presidents and Popes left and right, this must have been like ordering a #3 from McDonald's for him.

 

all kidding aside, that's a nice photo. and I teared up during Dylan's performance when he sang;

 

The line it is drawn

The curse it is cast

The slow one now

Will later be fast

As the present now

Will later be past

The order is

Rapidly fadin'.

And the first one now

Will later be last

For the times they are a-changin'.

 

only Dylan could sing that to the President and get away with it.

[Analogman]

Performance of Woody Guthrie's "Do Re Mi" with Ry Cooder and Van Dyke Parks from the "The People Speak" Project

(Video by way of Bob Dylan.com)

[HungryHippo]

Check Out This Auction!!!

 

Ballad In Plain D AND Just Like A Woman handwritten lyrics! plus some other cool things...

[MattZ]

Jeez. My Back Pages, too. Sheeeeit. My Back Pages would be worth a bazillion dollars to me. This means 25k is a steal, right?!

[Moss]

I always picture Dylan typing his lyrics for some reason, probalby because of the Don't look back movie.

 

Man I would love to own one of these handwritten lyrics.

[Analogman]

Unless they can provide documented provenance, I would not buy any of that stuff. I believe Mr. Krown was working with Dylan around 1961 or so. I think he received a guitar from Dylan that is now owned by Paul Allen. So I suppose there is some history there to go on.

[HungryHippo]

Unless they can provide documented provenance, I would not buy any of that stuff. I believe Mr. Krown was working with Dylan around 1961 or so. I think he received a guitar from Dylan that is now owned by Paul Allen. So I suppose there is some history there to go on.

its kinda weird imagining Dylan giving this stuff away. I guess once the song was recorded, the handwritten lyrics didn't mean much to him anymore. just looking at these scanned images gives one goosebumps!

 

btw, he's got some of the funniest handwriting I've ever seen. when you think of Dylan, the songs, the words, the man, a certain image is conjured up in your head. and then you see his handwriting... haha. I can say this because I have some of the worst penmanship known to man.

[Analogman]

It would be nice if they would go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, instead of someone's private collection. But, there are probably Dylan freaks out there with deep pockets who will end up with them in the end.

[suites]

I was at the Rock Hall Annex in NYC....(I think they closed it now) but they had some great handwriten stuff......Most if not all of Born to Run and Billy Joel "notebook" with all songs from The Stranger. They also had letters between Simon and Garfunkel when they went to summer camp...just great stuff.

 

The place was really great. Shame nobody went so they closed it. The day we went there was maybe 15 people in the entire place.

[Analogman]

Is Bob Dylan's new 'Folksinger's Choice' CD street legal ?

 

WBAI Studios

New York City, New York

13 January 1962

Cynthia Gooding radio show.

 

1. Lonesome Whistle Blues (Hank Williams/Jimmy Davies)

2. Fixin' To Die (Bukka White)

3. Smokestack Lightning (Howlin' Wolf)

4. Hard Travelin' (Woody Guthrie)

5. The Death Of Emmett Till

6. Standing On The Highway

7. Roll On, John (trad., arr. By Bob Dylan)

8. Stealin', Stealin' (trad. arr. Memphis Jug Band)

9. Long Time Man (trad., arr. by Alan Lomax)

10. Baby Please Don't Go (Big Joe Williams)

11. Hard Times In New York Town

 

Bob Dylan (guitar & vocal).

1, 4, 8, 9, 10 Bob Dylan (harmonica).

 

Notes: Songs are mixed with talk between Bob Dylan and Cynthia Gooding.

 

Only known Dylan recordings of Smokestack Lightning, Hard Travelin' and Roll On, John. Broadcast in the program Folksinger’s Choice 11 March 1962.

 

Mono radio broadcast, 60 minutes.

[MattZ]

awesome, thanks A-man.

 

The only word that I can come up with to describe how I feel when I hear about a new Dylan release is "lucky." I dont know how much more stuff is out there, or how much more new stuff he's got in him, but I am just lucky to be along for the ride.

[LouieB]

I believe these recordings have been kicking around since the beginning of (bootleg) time. Of course it is nice to think they are being released completely.

 

LouieB