Lammycat Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Both Dick and Dave at varying times, have said they have avoided putting out the shows that would be most popular or commonly expected in favor of lesser known stuff. I know Dick was a zealot for exposing people to stuff that he felt was killer but didn't get enough recognition. I think this philosophy, while it has some merit, sometimes blinded them to what are some of the best performances in Dead history. Or it could be they just like different stuff from me. Regardless, I don't really get too excited about what they release unless its something I already know is great, like when they finally put out 9-19 and 9-20-90.Hmm....Cornell 77, Harpur College, Valentines '70 Fillmore show, etc are all massively popular shows that were put out commercially. I can get their take, but the '83 hartford is just an example of a mainstream/average show. The better shows folks will lean towards, anyway.... Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yeah, lammy there are a few, and those are the exact ones I would list as shows they put out that are freaking awesome AND popular (they never put out Cornell 77, though, its not in the Vault, apparently) but still, to me, their batting average is very very low. I am pleased that the next Dave's Pick is gonna be 11-17-73. Now that, to me, is a show worth releasing. I hope he continues to pick shows that good. Link to post Share on other sites
winterland121072 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 11.17.1973 is in my opinion the best of the PUMUPs....the transition from UJB > PITB is pure glory. The final space before the PITB reprise is some of the best Jerry soloing I've heard....but - the rest of the show is only average compared to other shows of the era in my opinion.... Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Are you talking about my statement about not being all that pleased with Dave's picks? It shouldn't be that surprising, given everyone's different tastes and we are talking about picky Deadheads here. for example, the two 1983 shows Dick put out are nowhere near as good as many other shows from that year. Dave's Cornell 1980 release is just pretty mediocre to my ears. I just don't think they are putting out the very best shows in the vault. The cynic in me wonders if its not a business decision. I was just joking about the weed. Dick didn't do that great a job of picking shows, either and he was stoned 24/7 it seems. I just get tired of reading in the press releases how hot the playing is on each and every release and then being disappointed. I know people have different tastes and there is a whole host of reasons both technical and aesthetic why many great shows don't come out, but I look at what they put out compared to what I know exists in fine SBD quality on archive and I'm baffled by how weak many of the shows are that they put out. I was. I don't really know about the shows after 1973 - so you got me there. I just think they put out a lot of good stuff. I am talking about all the stuff - not just the Dave's Picks series. I mean all the boxsets and the rest. Link to post Share on other sites
Skian Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If you guys could pick the next 5 (D's) Picks what would they be? Favorite shows are very subjective. I might lean more toward event shows or shows with great or odd set lists.10/16/81 Amsterdam (Bobby's B-Day) obscure set list.12/31/76 Cow Palace11/4/77 Colgate U. (the band billed as "the Home Coming Band) great show.1/22/78 Eugene Oregon - for the great Close Encounters Jam.11/14/73 San Diego - for the never ending Other One. Then of course I got to add 10/29/77 Dekalb....truly a musical event. (one of my all time favorite) Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 12/31/76 Cow Palace This one was released a while ago. The Dekalb show is a great one. http://www.deaddisc.com/disc/Live_At_The_Cow_Palace.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Skian Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 This one was released a while ago. The Dekalb show is a great one. http://www.deaddisc...._Cow_Palace.htm Thank you for pointing that out. Thank you Rhino. Sometimes I fall out of the loop. I have always enjoyed this show. Some of the songs tend to have an extra edge and the jams take you into the realm of '77. A view of things to come. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If you guys could pick the next 5 (D's) Picks what would they be? Favorite shows are very subjective. I might lean more toward event shows or shows with great or odd set lists.10/16/81 Amsterdam (Bobby's B-Day) obscure set list.12/31/76 Cow Palace11/4/77 Colgate U. (the band billed as "the Home Coming Band) great show.1/22/78 Eugene Oregon - for the great Close Encounters Jam.11/14/73 San Diego - for the never ending Other One. Then of course I got to add 10/29/77 Dekalb....truly a musical event. (one of my all time favorite)Oooh this should be fun!! OK, I'll bite with the first things that pop into my head. I might have to revise later. 11/10-11/67 Shrine Auditorium. Viola!4/22/69 Boston. Incredible6/10/73 RFK - always been a favorite12/30/78 - for the second set. Ollin Arageed > Stephen!6/30/84 - my fave show I attended. If you love Jerry you'll LOVE this one. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Excellent New Yorker from 11/26/2012 issue about OCD deadheads (whomever they are....) http://www.newyorker...currentPage=allThat is simply the best thing written about the Dead and what made them the Dead that I have ever read! OK, I'm prone to exaggeration, but it simply is. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Regardless, I don't really get too excited about what they release unless its something I already know is great, like when they finally put out 9-19 and 9-20-90. 9-20-90 second set is probably the single best GD set I ever personally witnessed. Maybe tied with Roosevelt Stadium 8-6-74 second set. You know these nights are out as part of the Roads Trips release, although not in their entirety. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I just get tired of reading in the press releases how hot the playing is on each and every release and then being disappointed. I know people have different tastes and there is a whole host of reasons both technical and aesthetic why many great shows don't come out, but I look at what they put out compared to what I know exists in fine SBD quality on archive and I'm baffled by how weak many of the shows are that they put out. I guess this discussion is limited to the Dick's and Dave's releases (as to which I don't share in the overall disappointment although I don't buy them all). But here's a plug for the Winterland '73 and Winterland '77 box sets. Whoever was responsible for those boxes hit the nail right on the head. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Oooh this should be fun!! OK, I'll bite with the first things that pop into my head. I might have to revise later. 11/10-11/67 Shrine Auditorium. Viola!4/22/69 Boston. Incredible6/10/73 RFK - always been a favorite12/30/78 - for the second set. Ollin Arageed > Stephen!6/30/84 - my fave show I attended. If you love Jerry you'll LOVE this one.Yeah, those Ark shows would be in there. I'd likely include:William and Mary 4.15.78The S.Yarmouth showsU.VA. '83St. Paul Civic Center 7.10.81. Amazing second set in/out of UJB->Playing and amazing China DollLake Placid '83 would likely be in there, though my quality is excellent already. Whole show top to bottom is top notch, Jerry's voice is squeaky but crisp, Bobby's playing is dynamite with lots of warbly wah-wah type effect.... Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 3-28-85 Long Island, NYTruckin'Smokestack Lightnin'* with Matt Kelly, harmonicaHigh TimeEl PasoPeggy-OCassidyChina Cat SunflowerI Know You Rider Scarlet BegoniasFire on the MountainLooks Like RaindrumsGimme Some Lovin'The Other OneBlack PeterSugar Magnolia Day Job 4-24-78 Normal, ILPromised LandRamble on RoseMe and My UncleBig RiverFriend of the DevilCassidyBrown Eyed WomenPassengerIt Must Have Been the RosesMusic Never Stopped Scarlet Begonias!!!Fire on the Mountain!!!Good Lovin'Terrapin StationdrumsNot Fade AwayBlack PeterAround and Around 12-31-84 OaklandShakedown Street!!!New Minglewood BluesPeggy-OJack Straw!!!Bird SongHell in a BucketDon't Ease Me In Sugar MagnoliaScarlet BegoniasFire on the MountainMan Smart/Woman SmarterdrumsSpanish JamThe WheelThrowin' StonesTurn on Your Love Light Gimme Some Lovin'Uncle John's BandAround and AroundBaby Blue 10-15-83 Hartford CTFeel Like a StrangerDire WolfNew Minglewood BluesBrown Eyed WomenWang Dang DoodleBig Railroad Blues!!!Let it GrowDay Job China Cat SunflowerI Know You RiderPlayin' in the BandChina DolldrumsSt. StephenThrowin' StonesOne More Saturday Night Brokedown Palace 9-6-80 Lewiston Maine (fantastic long first set and wonderful set II as well)Alabama GetawayGreatest Story Ever ToldSugareeMe and My UncleMexicali BluesTennessee JedFeel Like a StrangerFriend of the DevilFar From MeLittle Red RoosterChina Cat SunflowerI Know You RiderPromised Land Shakedown StreetLost SailorSaint of CircumstanceAltheaPlayin' in the BandUncle John's BanddrumsNot Fade AwayThe WheelUncle John's BandPlayin' in the BandSugar Magnolia One More Saturday NightBrokedown Palace 8-27-72 Venetta Oregon (my fave of '72 with, for me, definitive versions of Greatest Story, Bird Song, Playin', & Dark Star) Promised LandSugareeMe and My UncleDealBlack Throated WindChina Cat SunflowerI Know You RiderMexicali BluesBertha Playing in the BandHe's GoneJack StrawBird SongGreatest Story Ever Told Dark StarEl PasoSing Me Back HomeSugar MagnollaCasey Jones Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah, those Ark shows would be in there. I'd likely include:William and Mary 4.15.78The S.Yarmouth showsU.VA. '83St. Paul Civic Center 7.10.81. Amazing second set in/out of UJB->Playing and amazing China DollLake Placid '83 would likely be in there, though my quality is excellent already. Whole show top to bottom is top notch, Jerry's voice is squeaky but crisp, Bobby's playing is dynamite with lots of warbly wah-wah type effect.... Love the Bertha>Good Lovin' from William and Mary '78, even though Jerry skips a verse in BerthaJerry's guitar smokes on 6-30-84 and I like the jam in Shakedown, but Jerry had A LOT of lyric amnesia in this show... That Lake Placid is excellent, too. They have released a download of the opening Sugaree on dead.net as part of the 30 Days of Dead this month. Good stuff! Oh, yeah, Road Trips Vol. 1 is really good (the Fall '79 collection). Gotta give Dave some credit for that one! Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 8-27-72 Venetta Oregon (my fave of '72 with, for me, definitive versions of Greatest Story, Bird Song, Playin', & Dark Star) Promised LandSugareeMe and My UncleDealBlack Throated WindChina Cat SunflowerI Know You RiderMexicali BluesBertha Playing in the BandHe's GoneJack StrawBird SongGreatest Story Ever Told Dark StarEl PasoSing Me Back HomeSugar MagnollaCasey Jones The film of that show is the best. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The best what? Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 In terms of best, its right up there with hot dog trees and tummy rubs. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The film of that show is the best. Naked hippies. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 4-24-78 Normal, ILPromised LandRamble on RoseMe and My UncleBig RiverFriend of the DevilCassidyBrown Eyed WomenPassengerIt Must Have Been the RosesMusic Never Stopped Scarlet Begonias!!!Fire on the Mountain!!!Good Lovin'Terrapin StationdrumsNot Fade AwayBlack PeterAround and Around 8-27-72 Venetta Oregon (my fave of '72 with, for me, definitive versions of Greatest Story, Bird Song, Playin', & Dark Star) Promised LandSugareeMe and My UncleDealBlack Throated WindChina Cat SunflowerI Know You RiderMexicali BluesBertha Playing in the BandHe's GoneJack StrawBird SongGreatest Story Ever Told Dark StarEl PasoSing Me Back HomeSugar MagnollaCasey Jones Hey, I was at that Normal, IL show. I was an undergrad in St. Louis, and my brother was in grad school at Normal. Don't remember much about it, will have to give a listen on the Archive. And agree with all your comments about the Venetta show. Mindblowing. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 That Veneta show has never been released? WTF? Because they figure everyone already has it? I don't get that... Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 That Veneta show has never been released? WTF? Because they figure everyone already has it? I don't get that... They don't own the film. I have a feeling whoever does wants more money than the band is willing to pay. David has been saying it will come out for several years now. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 April 1978 is pretty strong. I've only recently discovered it, I was never much into 1978 before. This is a very good Scarlet Fire Nice when its followed by Good Lovin' and Terrapin! The best Black Peters, for me, mostly came in 1978, too. Promised Land and Music Never Stopped are quite good. Venetta was acid-soaked and its got such a lazy, lethargic-yet-driving, hot-summer-day vibe. The guitar tones are fantastic. I love it when they take Dark Star into a cowboy song and then they followed it with a lovely country ballad. Yep, the audio has never been officially released. I'd love to hear it cleaned up as good as it could be. Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Venetta was acid-soaked and its got such a lazy, lethargic-yet-driving, hot-summer-day vibe. The guitar tones are fantastic. I love it when they take Dark Star into a cowboy song and then they followed it with a lovely country ballad. Yep, the audio has never been officially released. I'd love to hear it cleaned up as good as it could be. And then there's that naked guy on the pole behind the stage.... Being able to actually see them play Dark Star at the height of their prowess is a thrill too. Gotta love the SSDD! Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Hey, I was at that Normal, IL show. I was an undergrad in St. Louis, and my brother was in grad school at Normal. Don't remember much about it, will have to give a listen on the Archive. And agree with all your comments about the Venetta show. Mindblowing.The thing I recall about Normal is they tease "Stayin' Alive" (at the time a big hit from Sat Night Fever) and then take it right into "Me & My Uncle". I don't know why this sticks out to me, but it always cracked me up. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The thing I recall about Normal is they tease "Stayin' Alive" (at the time a big hit from Sat Night Fever) and then take it right into "Me & My Uncle". I don't know why this sticks out to me, but it always cracked me up. Just listened to that: http://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-24.sbd.miller.97543.sbeok.flac16 And then there's that naked guy on the pole behind the stage.... Being able to actually see them play Dark Star at the height of their prowess is a thrill too. Gotta love the SSDD! Sunshine Daydream is "must-see" stuff. Blistering hot, blistering hot music. The acid just drips out of the tv. Link to post Share on other sites
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