Boss_Tweedy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Based on what we know so far, It didn't turn out bad for Trump in any sense of the word. This is the biggest win of his entire life. This is what he'll be remembered for, forever. His favorability rating will probably skyrocket in the next round of polling, and stay higher than it has ever been to date. The democrats will be widely seen as overplaying a losing hand and the ongoing investigations will backfire. And he's virtually guaranteed a second term now. It causes me physical pain to believe even one of those things, but I firmly believe all of that. Sadly I agree with you. I felt that the only thing keeping him from a second term would have been impeachment. I didn't think there would be enough to impeach, and yesterday's news confirmed that. What has this country become? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Ego will probably will make him run again, but I wonder if him and his family are making as much money as they thought they would with him being president. I am guessing it will play into his decision to run again or not. Plus, I am not sure he is completely out of the woods, yet - there are plenty of outlier things going on, that the Mueller probe was not even focusing on. At this point, I wish the D's in Congress would drop the whole impeachment stuff and let the possible courts handle it, esp. the New York court. Also, I don't think the probe results will sway previous non-Trump supporters to his side, now. If they have never supported him, it wasn't just because of his direct possible collusion with Russia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Who is Seth Abrams?https://twitter.com/SethAbramson bio https://www.sethabramson.net/bio rimi A criminal defense attorney and criminal investigator. Author of Proof of Conspiracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 At this point, I wish the D's in Congress would drop the whole impeachment stuff and let the possible courts handle it, esp. the New York court. I agree. The last time the House impeached a president, Clinton, his approval numbers went up and he won a second term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I agree. The last time the House impeached a president, Clinton, his approval numbers went up and he won a second term. Clinton's impeachment began in December 1998. He was elected to his 2nd term in November 1996. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 https://twitter.com/SethAbramson bio https://www.sethabramson.net/bio rimi A criminal defense attorney and criminal investigator. Author of Proof of Conspiracy Good credentials. Unfortunately, authors and books, and tweets by authors of books, don't move the needle. How many books by (and tweets by) heavy hitting authors came out during W's first term, and what did it get us? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Clinton's impeachment began in December 1998. He was elected to his 2nd term in November 1996. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 At this point, I wish the D's in Congress would drop the whole impeachment stuff and let the possible courts handle it, esp. the New York court. Impeachment was and is never going to happen to Trump, and probably never will happen again to an R. It's extremely likely to happen to most D's, however, for at least as long as baby boomers run everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Good credentials. Unfortunately, authors and books, and tweets by authors of books, don't move the needle. How many books by (and tweets by) heavy hitting authors came out during W's first term, and what did it get us? The mainstream media is misleading people to think that it's over. The people who believe others wise now have the burden to change the narrative. This thread helps people understand that. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1109913558333210629.html or we can just give up... The Trumpers never saw Trump for his misgivings before and no matter what Muller found wouldn't have an issue afterward. If the D's and Independents vote we can still beat Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Clinton's impeachment began in December 1998. He was elected to his 2nd term in November 1996.Thanks for the correction. I'm thinking all the investigations that Clinton had helped his numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Wow that Mueller thing didn't turn out as bad for Trump as I predicted. This went exactly as I predicted. As for impeachment, I think it is pretty much off the table. Pelosi has said as much. I am sure she caught wind of the Mueller report before it dropped and knew it is best to leave it be. The best course of action is to start giving POTUS enough rope to hang himself. Economic factors point to a major downturn 4th quarter this year, and early next year. Also we have this shit show that starting Israel. I don't see how this is gonna end up good for anyone involved. Plus the looming mess in NK. I unfortunately see us in bad shape by this time next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mueller-report-summary-questions-barr_n_5c980316e4b01ebeef10dbde Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I was talking to a friend of mine about this, and he's convinced the oligarchs love this asshole enough to prop up the economy through 2020. Many, many Americans are dumb enough to vote for him again if they can look at the news and tell themselves, "Well, the economy is good, so I guess he's doing a good job after all." After 45 gets re-elected, the oligarchs set themselves up to profit from the next great crash - so they continue to make a shitload of money as the stock market continues its historic (but totally unsustainable) bull run, then divest themselves of major parts of their assets before the crash. So they make money off both. As long as they get a second term out of him, they don't give a fuck. The crash might not come until as late as 2023; a full 16 years after the last crash under Dubya. Depressing, but a very real possibility unless the Dems can stop with the circular firing squad and put up a vastly superior candidate. That should be easy, but superior won't be good enough if the economy appears to be good. They'll need someone both highly qualified and telegenic. No idea who it would be, but probably not someone who's already declared. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'm not in anyway challenging what y'all are saying about this being a re-election boon for 45- his entire presidency defies logic. I will say that if that's true it also defies logic. So voters would say: this guy didn't verifiably commit treason against our nation, so hell yeah I'm voting for him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 So voters would say: this guy didn't verifiably commit treason against our nation, so hell yeah I'm voting for him? That's not the thought process. What they will say is: "Trump was right. These Democrats dragged him through the mud for two years and then he was proven 100% completely innocent...of everything, just like he said he was all along. Here's a sympathy vote." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 That's not the thought process. What they will say is: "Trump was right. These Democrats dragged him through the mud for two years and then he was proven 100% completely innocent...of everything, just like he said he was all along. Here's a sympathy vote." Yeah, they do love throwing the millionaire inheritor, fraud, casino guy in with them as just another underdog. "Poor guy got kicked around by that evil report that didn't blame him, and shows he's innocent, and no you should never see it." Oh man, I'm afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Yeah, they do love throwing the millionaire inheritor, fraud, casino guy in with them as just another underdog. "Poor guy got kicked around by that evil report that didn't blame him, and shows he's innocent, and no you should never see it." Oh man, I'm afraid. I"m afraid, too. I hope I end up being proven wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Also, to add to the cynicism/pessimism: I forgot to mention the other aspect of the prediction above. A decent sized blue wave in 2022, leading to some modest financial reform in a newly-Democratic-controlled Congress. Then when the economy crashes in 2023, they can blame the Dems again and say the economy crashed because of those "job-killing regulations" and not from the Fed artificially propping it up for years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Also, to add to the cynicism/pessimism: I forgot to mention the other aspect of the prediction above. A decent sized blue wave in 2022, leading to some modest financial reform in a newly-Democratic-controlled Congress. Then when the economy crashes in 2023, they can blame the Dems again and say the economy crashed because of those "job-killing regulations" and not from the Fed artificially propping it up for years.You forgot attacks by killer bees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Don't worry guys. Trump has two years to shit the bed. The economy is going to slow down and he already stepped in it by talking about killing Obamacare in the middle of his 'victory lap'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 I'm a little concerned about how many of you are rooting for an economic downturn. I hate Trump, but geez. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Lets not forget that trump lost the popular election by almost 3 million votes and something like 10 million more votes were cast in the midterms for Dem candidates. I also like to think that any intelligent independent voter who voted for him in 2016 has already regretted that action. Then there are the rational GOP'ers who have already walked away from this administration as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I'm a little concerned about how many of you are rooting for an economic downturn. I hate Trump, but geez. I'm not rooting for it, but most things are more important than money. Just for starters, if Trump wins a second term, the supreme court will be hard right for decades. An economic downturn is worth it if helps achieve some balance there. Nobody enlists in the military and puts their life on the line because they want to defend money. There are higher ideals that this country is supposedly all about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I'm not rooting for an economic downturn. It's more like you have a sunshine candidate who's ignored the forecast and you see clouds on the horizon. You know it won't go well for him. Also in spite of the recent years of plenty it's clear that our economy is still not working for everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I'm a little concerned about how many of you are rooting for an economic downturn. I hate Trump, but geez. I doubt that anyone here is rooting for an economic downturn, but the likelihood is that we will see one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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