KevinG Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 ... Inject a Sanders-Warren ticket in my veins! I'll take losing "2020 Democratic tickets for $400, Alex." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'll take losing "2020 Democratic tickets for $400, Alex."That may prove to be true, but it's a party primary. If the majority of primary voters want Sanders, he's the nominee. I want Trump gone 3 years ago, but trying to get Democrats to vote for a candidate deemed "most likely to beat Trump" (meaning most likely a Republican will vote for in the general election), is a fool's errand. Just as voters in the general vote for who they want to be president, voters in a primary do the same. "Uh, gee, people are saying that Democrat X is the most electable in the general. I want Trump out, I'll vote for them instead of the candidate I prefer to be president." It's just silly. Vote for who you prefer in the primary and for the Democratic nominee in the general (if you want Trump out). As long as idiot assholes don't vote for a 3rd party candidate, instead of the Dem. (or sit it out), as many did in 2016, I believe we'll prevail. I could be wrong, but that's all there is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 That may prove to be true, but it's a party primary. If the majority of primary voters want Sanders, he's the nominee. I want Trump gone 3 years ago, but trying to get Democrats to vote for a candidate deemed "most likely to beat Trump" (meaning most likely a Republican will vote for in the general election), is a fool's errand. Just as voters in the general vote for who they want to be president, voters in a primary do the same. "Uh, gee, people are saying that Democrat X is the most electable in the general. I want Trump out, I'll vote for them instead of the candidate I prefer to be president." It's just silly. Vote for who you prefer in the primary and for the Democratic nominee in the general (if you want Trump out). As long as idiot assholes don't vote for a 3rd party candidate, instead of the Dem. (or sit it out), as many did in 2016, I believe we'll prevail. I could be wrong, but that's all there is. I have heard from my progressive friends that it appears that if Bernie is not the nominee (especially due to some "Super-delegate" trickery), they are willing to sit home again in an effort to have the Democratic Party burn to the ground. Also there will be no way you will have two far left politicians on a ticket. Bernie is going to be saddled with the Socialist tag. He will need someone to even him out. Pete Buttiege is really angling himself for a VP slot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 In my opinion, obviously, your progressive friends are petulant children deserving no respect.. I agree that Sanders and Warren could be seen as too similar for a ticket, but if they're the ticket, then they should get the vote of everyone believing that, above all else, Trump must no longer be president. Anyone recognizing that Trump is a danger to our nation, but still prefers Trump to Sanders, can fuck off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I have heard from my progressive friends that it appears that if Bernie is not the nominee (especially due to some "Super-delegate" trickery), they are willing to sit home again in an effort to have the Democratic Party burn to the ground. Also there will be no way you will have two far left politicians on a ticket. Bernie is going to be saddled with the Socialist tag. He will need someone to even him out. Pete Buttiege is really angling himself for a VP slot. I had a friend make the same point about Buttigieg. Maybe accurate, but I didn't see it that way last night. I think 3X he Buttigieg accused Sanders of wanting to burn the whole thing down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 There's absolutely no chance Sanders would pick Buttigieg as a running mate. If Buttigieg is trying to stake out a VP slot, it'd far more likely be with Biden or even Bloomberg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 There is no obvious winner. A progressive ticket could alienate moderates and independents, a milquetoast centrist could be John Kerry or Hillary Clinton redeux. Sanders has energy behind him, that's more than we can say for anyone else right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'm here for Warren bodying everyone. She's the clear winner tonight. Inject a Sanders-Warren ticket in my veins!i would be fine w/ a Warren/Sanders ticket too. also, here's my solution to cleaning up the debate format:All candidates would receive a mild electric shock whenever they interrupt whomever is speaking. Once they get 5 shocks, the voltage steps up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Sanders has energy behind him, that's more than we can say for anyone else right now.Bloomberg has about 55 billion other things in his favor, and I’m not yet convinced that his awful performance last night (and of course the underlying reasons he was attacked in the first place) will be enough to counter his ability to flood the airwaves with positive messages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 In my opinion, obviously, your progressive friends are petulant children deserving no respect.. I agree that Sanders and Warren could be seen as too similar for a ticket, but if they're the ticket, then they should get the vote of everyone believing that, above all else, Trump must no longer be president. Anyone recognizing that Trump is a danger to our nation, but still prefers Trump to Sanders, can fuck off.You misunderstood. My progressive friends are willing to watch the whole thing burn if Sanders is NOT the nominee. Which I agree is a pretty shitty thing to do.Bloomberg has about 55 billion other things in his favor, and I’m not yet convinced that his awful performance last night (and of course the underlying reasons he was attacked in the first place) will be enough to counter his ability to flood the airwaves with positive messages.Bloomberg will not win one primary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 You misunderstood. My progressive friends are willing to watch the whole thing burn if Sanders is NOT the nominee. Which I agree is a pretty shitty thing to do.I did not misunderstand.That is why I said what I said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bloomberg will not win one primary. He doesn't have to "win" to have a major effect on the race. He's polling at #1 or #2 in a number of the Super Tuesday states. If that holds, he might be the only viable alternative to Bernie 2 weeks from now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 He doesn't have to "win" to have a major effect on the race. He's polling at #1 or #2 in a number of the Super Tuesday states. If that holds, he might be the only viable alternative to Bernie 2 weeks from now.If that happens where Bloomberg's the nominee without winning a primary, I believe Trump wins a second term easily. I think the Democratic Party would be in shambles, people will be pissed and stay home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If that happens where Bloomberg's the nominee without winning a primary, I believe Trump wins a second term easily. I think the Democratic Party would be in shambles, people will be pissed and stay home.You're right; but I think the same thing will happen with Bernie or Warren leading the ticket. If the Dems want to win the White House, I think they need a candidate that can win back Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If that happens where Bloomberg's the nominee without winning a primary, I believe Trump wins a second term easily. I think the Democratic Party would be in shambles, people will be pissed and stay home.Any Democrat who stays home for the next election is an idiot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 You're right; but I think the same thing will happen with Bernie or Warren leading the ticket. If the Dems want to win the White House, I think they need a candidate that can win back Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.Sanders vs. Trump in Michigan: 49-44.3Sanders vs. Trump in Pennsylvania: 47.3-44.7Sanders vs. Trump in Ohio: 53-47Sanders vs. Trump in Wisconsin: 43-50 The first three are from RealClearPolitics, the Wisconsin one is from Quinnipiac (came out yesterday) which has all Democrats down to Trump. Sanders and Biden are the closest at down 7%. Bernie Sanders can win 3 of the 4 you mentioned, and no Democrats are winning in Wisconsin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Sanders vs. Trump in Michigan: 49-44.3Sanders vs. Trump in Pennsylvania: 47.3-44.7Sanders vs. Trump in Ohio: 53-47Sanders vs. Trump in Wisconsin: 43-50 The first three are from RealClearPolitics, the Wisconsin one is from Quinnipiac (came out yesterday) which has all Democrats down to Trump. Sanders and Biden are the closest at down 7%. Bernie Sanders can win 3 of the 4 you mentioned, and no Democrats are winning in Wisconsin.Interesting, Thanks. But do we still trust polling? Polling in February? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Interesting, Thanks. But do we still trust polling? Polling in February?Just trying to make a point that Sanders is electable. And Biden won’t stop lying. Now he is saying he was arrested in Apartheid South Africa for trying to see Nelson Mandela. The person who he was supposedly traveling with said that never happened. He lied about being a part of the Civil Rights Movement and now this. He has to know that it is just about over for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Any Democrat who stays home for the next election is an idiot. yep. i can't imagine the self-hubris to be pissed off enough not to vote regardless of who is on the Dem ticket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Genuine question for the Bernie supporters here. If he wins, do you expect a single payer healthcare bill to actually get passed? And if so, which 60 senators will vote for it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Genuine question for the Bernie supporters here. If he wins, do you expect a single payer healthcare bill to actually get passed? And if so, which 60 senators will vote for it?Nope, but the conversation will be front and center. Also, I want some progressive judges, and with Ruth Bader Ginsburg aging, I’d like Bernie to pick a Supreme Court justice. I’d also love for my student debt to be wiped so I can you know, spend money and contribute to the economy. I also feel that Bernie isn’t bought and paid for by corporations/banks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Nope, but the conversation will be front and center. Also, I want some progressive judges, and with Ruth Bader Ginsburg aging, I’d like Bernie to pick a Supreme Court justice. I’d also love for my student debt to be wiped so I can you know, spend money and contribute to the economy. I also feel that Bernie isn’t bought and paid for by corporations/banks.Thanks. I agree about the SCOTUS nominee, too. Wouldn’t student debt forgiveness also need to go thru Congress? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Thanks. I agree about the SCOTUS nominee, too. Wouldn’t student debt forgiveness also need to go thru Congress?Pretty sure student loan debt goes through the Department of Education. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Pretty sure student loan debt goes through the Department of Education.Pretty sure an action of that financial magnitude would need some legislation behind it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Ruth Bader Ginsburg It's my policy any time someone mentions RBG as the (singular) slot that will open to remind folks that Steven Breyer is 81 years old. That's two seats that will open relatively soon. If Trump gets reelected, he will almost definitely get to replace RBG. If he also gets to replace Breyer, that gives him a 7-2 court. I also think if he wins, Clarence Thomas will retire so Trump can replace him with someone young, rather than waiting until a later term and gambling on being replaced by a dem. This solidifies the 7-2 split for at least a decade since everyone else is relatively young (Alito, the next oldest, is 69). The best case scenario if a Democrat wins, barring the death of one of the justices, would be to hold the 4 seat minority. Assuming that still exists come inauguration day. That alone is far more than reason enough to enthusiastically vote for a pile of maggot encrusted dog shit with a D attached to their name over Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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