bobbob1313 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 At the end of the day it's the players on the field who make the game what it is. This does not detract the hand a manager plays in contributing to the success/flaws of a team. I'd say Francona deserves both part of the blame for the collapse towards the end as well as the re-surgence in the post season. So yes, he should be partially credited for the team's success. Which is what the "award" from Baseball America is, pretty much: crediting the manager on the best team in baseball last season as the best manager overall. I guessI just don't see the point in giving managers awards, and especially not managers with one of the 2 highest payrolls in baseball. It is somehow Torre's fault that Wang forgot how to pitch for a two game stretch in the playoffs, so he's a bad manager and meanwhile Terry Francona has arguably the greatest post season pitcher of all time on his team to carry him to a title, so he's a good manager. If any manager "deserves" an award this year, it's Manny Acta. I was gonna say, I felt like Father Time talking to Baby New Year with those references. I was joking. Come on, man. A little credit here, please. Link to post Share on other sites
PigSooie Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Sox and Johan getting close to a deal? http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...s_may_be_close/ Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Sox and Johan getting close to a deal? http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...s_may_be_close/ Wow. I don't know what to think. The other Yankee fans I talk to will be happy to hear this. They didn't want to give up the young pitchers. I'm not so sure. I'm short sighted. I've said it before, but the Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, etc. rotation scares the bejeesus out of me. Maybe these latest reports will inspire young Hank to do something completely irrational. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Sox and Johan getting close to a deal? http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...s_may_be_close/At what point does Hank step in and rescind his "deadline" by offering Kennedy? Also, Jose Guillen to sign with K.C.:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3140604 Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Wow. I don't know what to think. The other Yankee fans I talk to will be happy to hear this. They didn't want to give up the young pitchers. I'm not so sure. I'm short sighted. I've said it before, but the Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, etc. rotation scares the bejeesus out of me.If this happens, (and there are still plenty of factors to queer the deal at this point), I can't imagine why any NYY fan would be happy to see their team have to face a rotation like that 19 times next season. And, you omitted Schilling. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I think the Yankees are more than one pitcher away from being able to really win. Personally I'd rather see them suck for a year or two. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 At what point does Hank step in and rescind his "deadline" by offering Kennedy? Today, 2pm. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Today, 2pm.Bank it, folks. I'd be impressed if he actually stuck to his guns about the self-imposed deadline, however if an oppportunity to get Santana opens (and is in the arena of what he offered) and he doesn't jump on it he'll be drawn and quartered in NY. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I was joking. Come on, man. A little credit here, please. I was joking too - I got your joke. C'mon.:lovefest Link to post Share on other sites
PigSooie Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that he's "hearing" that the Red Sox's offer for Johan Santana does not include Jacoby Ellsbury Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 And in further news, the exciting offseason for mets fans continues... From today's NY Post, Page 6: We Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 pffft. I'd let M. (hris diddle me with her iBuzz. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Are you flirting with me? Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 "Serious negotiations" between BOS/MIN:http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...ticleid=1048739 Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 "evil empire" Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Are you flirting with me? you change your posts so much every time I open a thread it's like a new party. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 This will be great if the lil Red Sox can land Santana, that way they can stand a chance of winning the division against those money-grubbing Yankmees and prove you can't buy champiomnships!! Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 This will be great if the lil Red Sox can land Santana, that way they can stand a chance of winning the division against those money-grubbing Yankmees and prove you can't buy champiomnships!! That's the spirit. "DON'T STOP BELIEVIN!!!" Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 you change your posts so much every time I open a thread it's like a new party.Now you're catching on. My first post was just for you. And now I'm back to lurking in the beisbol thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 That's the spirit. "DON'T STOP BELIEVIN!!!" I ahte those Yankees they're so all about money! The Red Sox don't! It's all about Swee y Carlon@! Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Blog on the dealings/potential dealings:Of note is the potential BOS/MIN deal, Tiger's/Marlins (Dontrelle and Cabrera) possible?, Bedard possibilities, and BOS/Mike Lamb: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...winter_meetings Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 If the Tigers got Miggy Cabrera, I would shit my pants. Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 WFAN's Yankees reporter is saying the Yankees seem resigned to the fact that Santana is going to Boston. Also, the Boston deal would be the one that includes Lester, Crisp, and two prospects. Looks like the Sox might get Santana and keep Ellsbury. Of course, nothing is final, but if that happens...well done, Boston. What does Oakland want for Haren? Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 According to the blog link above, Ellsbury was offered in one of the two packages to MIN. Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 According to the blog link above, Ellsbury was offered in one of the two packages to MIN. Yeah, I know. There were two potential deals: 1) the Ellsbury deal 2) the Lester/Crisp deal. The WFAN reporter is saying Minnesota favors the Lester/Crisp deal. Link to post Share on other sites
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