Lammycat Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Stream the album at NPR: http://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495514341/first-listen-phish-big-boat# Seems there are some phish fans that really like it. I'm still not in that group. Gonna give it a go tonight. I met a liar, called the Messiah.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Listening to the new Phish streaming on NPR. A few songs in, and not impressed. Love seeing this band live and I will always take every opportunity to see them, but these songs seem pretty pathetic at first listen. Particularly the lyrics. That opening Fishman tune is embarrassing. The lyrics matter less at a Phish show, its the playing and the infectious joy in the crowd. But on record, can't escape how bad these lyrics are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Listening to the new Phish streaming on NPR. A few songs in, and not impressed. Love seeing this band live and I will always take every opportunity to see them, but these songs seem pretty pathetic at first listen. Particularly the lyrics. That opening Fishman tune is embarrassing. The lyrics matter less at a Phish show, its the playing and the infectious joy in the crowd. But on record, can't escape how bad these lyrics are. Agree on this. Flat, boring, unnecessary. Blaze On, which can really smoke live, sounds like a Sesame Street tune on the album. ed. Though I did appreciate the "play it LEO!!" before Page's solo from the studio.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Agree on this. Flat, boring, unnecessary. Blaze On, which can really smoke live, sounds like a Sesame Street tune on the album. ed. Though I did appreciate the "play it LEO!!" before Page's solo from the studio....Blaze On, and a few other tunes, are like Jimmy Buffet. Feels like pandering to a retarded fan base, of which I am admittedly a part of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Feels like pandering to a retarded fan baseIs the fan base into this? I wouldn't expect this album is going to fly with the devoted, but I have no idea what they're saying out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Blaze On is taken as a "let's get high" anthem. Some Phishheads are like Trump supporters and they can do no wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 http://liveforlivemusic.com/news/dean-ween-hates-phish-fans-lockn-new-askdeaner-rant/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 What a lame rant..How is their long set up for you a buzzkill if you went on before them? Though I must say I never really liked the Phish crowd perse but still Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Love Deaner, and agree that phish's delay in start time was a buzzkill, at least watching from home. Like most of his rants, half-true, half-coked out talking out his ass. Great guy, and Ween put on great shows at Lockn. But a lot of Phish fans are Ween fans, and vice versa. I think what he's saying is that its better to be the headliner than the opener - it's dark, you have the crowd's attention. But Deaner likes attention, so he's gotta talk some shit. Anyway, latest news from Deaner is his priceless guitar was stolen. Bummer, don't fuck with Trey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Shouldn't his nickname be 'Dween'? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Pitchfork review. Some highlights (or should that be lowlights ) http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22451-big-boat/ "Big Boat is at times overwrought and half-assed, gratingly silly and embarrassingly self-serious, both tedious and underwhelming. In other words, it’s a new Phish album. " "In “Friends,” the dumb-as-rocks, vaguely triumphant opening number, drummer Jon Fishman forecasts the coming of the Lord, descending upon the Earth in “some fiery fashion.”" "Even still, the lowest points of Big Boat manage to sink lower than just being bad-for-Phish; Big Boat is made even worse by not sounding enough like Phish." "If Phish were to embrace their unique position in the industry, one could imagine them penning albums that were, if not definitive, then at least approaching coherence, like modern-day Wilco, or Phish tourmates Ween." "Big Boat is another failure in a discography full of them. Without a unifying identity, it whiffs on nearly every statement it tries to make. " At least they throw a bone to Billy Breathes... "If you love Phish, the release of a solid studio album has likely never been a requirement to stay onboard, even when their releases were fun and relatively consistent, like 1996’s Billy Breathes." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 ^ Pitchfork, for a change, pretty much nailed it with the new album. I'm not sure I would have gone back as far as Billy Breathes to cite consistency, though, as Farmhouse is very consistent and solid and all of the albums since Billy Breathes, imo, contain enough solid material to not be throw-away albums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knotgreen Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Pitchfork review. Some highlights (or should that be lowlights ) http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22451-big-boat/ "Big Boat is at times overwrought and half-assed, gratingly silly and embarrassingly self-serious, both tedious and underwhelming. In other words, it’s a new Phish album. " "In “Friends,” the dumb-as-rocks, vaguely triumphant opening number, drummer Jon Fishman forecasts the coming of the Lord, descending upon the Earth in “some fiery fashion.”" "Even still, the lowest points of Big Boat manage to sink lower than just being bad-for-Phish; Big Boat is made even worse by not sounding enough like Phish." "If Phish were to embrace their unique position in the industry, one could imagine them penning albums that were, if not definitive, then at least approaching coherence, like modern-day Wilco, or Phish tourmates Ween." "Big Boat is another failure in a discography full of them. Without a unifying identity, it whiffs on nearly every statement it tries to make. " At least they throw a bone to Billy Breathes... "If you love Phish, the release of a solid studio album has likely never been a requirement to stay onboard, even when their releases were fun and relatively consistent, like 1996’s Billy Breathes." Yikes. That new album is bad. Listened in full and cannot imagine ever returning to it. Having amassed an absurd amount of live phish shows, I very rarely put on one of their studio albums. If I do, it's only every Billy Breathes or Hoist. I'm not sure how the die-hards view Hoist, but I have a soft spot for that one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Billy Breathes was the last studio record I bought, actually my wife purchased it. I have the new one reserved at the library - now I need to hear to hear how bad it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Billy Breathes was probably the last studio album I fully enjoyed. However I usually like 2-3 songs per album Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 You goes don't like Farmhouse? That thing is all the way through, imo (a bunch some concert staples lasted from it) . And, although I only listened to it a few times when it came out, I like Fuego, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mus2009 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I think Farmhouse is a pretty quality album Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I like all the pre-Hoist albums a lot, as they contain their best songs. Mixed bag after that. Then I would probably rank them: Strong:GhostFuegoBilly Breathes OK:HoistFarmhouseUndermind Dreadful:Round RoomJoyBig Boat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Yikes. That new album is bad. Listened in full and cannot imagine ever returning to it. Having amassed an absurd amount of live phish shows, I very rarely put on one of their studio albums. If I do, it's only every Billy Breathes or Hoist. I'm not sure how the die-hards view Hoist, but I have a soft spot for that one.Hoist and Billy Breathes are the 2 studio albums that do the most for me. Other than those 2, 99% of my Phish listening is live shows. Probably like most Phish fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I did like Farmhouse but I can not stand Gotta Jibbo! Fuego was mostly good.. Guess my order would beNectarHoistJuntaLawn BoyBillyGhostRiftFarmhouseFuegoUndermindJoyRoundroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Rift and Junta are my favorites. I bought the HD download of Junta last year - it does sound great. It must have been 90 or 91 when a friend gave me dubbed copy of Junta - played the hell of the tape. I stopped going to shows in 98 - than started listening and seeing them again in 2013. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I stopped going to shows in 98 - than started listening and seeing them again in 2013.Pretty similar. Saw shows from '87-'96 or '97, then none until they started playing Dick's (2011?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Pretty similar. Saw shows from '87-'96 or '97, then none until they started playing Dick's (2011?). It was a shorter run of seeing them for me, 94-98. Had tickets for a 4 night run in November, 98 (Madison, WI and 3 in Chicago); on the morning of the 4th show, I gave my ticket to my friend who I was going to the shows with. Don't remember exactly why, but I guess I had enough. My friend traded my ticket for some decent smoke in the lot, so he was happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 It was a shorter run of seeing them for me, 94-98. Had tickets for a 4 night run in November, 98 (Madison, WI and 3 in Chicago); on the morning of the 4th show, I gave my ticket to my friend who I was going to the shows with. Don't remember exactly why, but I guess I had enough. My friend traded my ticket for some decent smoke in the lot, so he was happy.Third night of UIC was the best of the run. First night was not real good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Yeah, set list wise it looks great - though I never liked Frankenstein. I don't think I have listen to the show, though. I do listen to the 98 Madison show from time to time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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