noyes Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 someone move this thread.don't delete it, just move it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ryan Adams is one of those "potential" artists. He could've been a great. Heartbreaker was a great album; even Gold was pretty cool. But overall, I think he's a has been that only his hardcore contingent still cares about; outside of alt-country circles, he's a trivia question at this point. Ryan Adams never was and never will be in Tweedy's league. fin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'd just like to repeat that outside of this board, like nobody in the world even knows who Wilco is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ryan Adams is one of those "potential" artists. He could've been a great. Heartbreaker was a great album; even Gold was pretty cool. But overall, I think he's a has been that only his hardcore contingent still cares about; outside of alt-country circles, he's a trivia question at this point. Thank you for clarifying everything. Sometimes I get confused with what I like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Thank you for clarifying everything. Sometimes I get confused with what I like. Of your 4968 posts, what percentage... blah, blah, fuckity, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'd just like to repeat that outside of this board, like nobody in the world even knows who Wilco is. Eh, bullshit. They've played SNL.They've won grammies.They've sold 2 million albums in the states.Their albums frequently top end of the year lists.Their songs are in VW commercials. They're not an unknown band...They've outsold many well respected niche artists like Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, The Arcade Fire, The Shins, etc etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Eh, bullshit. They've played SNL.They've won grammies.They've sold 2 million albums in the states.Their albums frequently top end of the year lists.Their songs are in VW commercials. They're not an unknown band...They've outsold many well respected niche artists like Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, The Arcade Fire, The Shins, etc etc. More people know those bands than Wilco for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 More people know those bands than Wilco for sure.Hell, I'm on your side and I don't agree with you bobbob. Wilco has a very large following nowadays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
noyes Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ryan Adams is one of those "potential" artists. He could've been a great. Heartbreaker was a great album; even Gold was pretty cool. But overall, I think he's a has been that only his hardcore contingent still cares about; outside of alt-country circles, he's a trivia question at this point. Ryan Adams never was and never will be in Tweedy's league. fin. i'm assuming you haven't heard Jacksonville City Nights and/or Cold Roses.those two are the best batch of songs he's ever written. he has potential, yes, and with those two albums, he has tapped into it. again, someone move this goddamn thread. haha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 According to Google Fight: Wilco - 5,590,000 results Ryan Adams - 3,390,000 results For perspective: Tesla - 10,500,000 results Wilco - 5,590,000 results Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Hell, I'm on your side and I don't agree with you bobbob. Wilco has a very large following nowadays. I'd still say they aren't as well known as any of those bands in the public opinion, except maybe Sonic Youth. The Arcade Fire were in every single magazine for like a year, the Shins were featured in a very popular movie, and the Flaming Lips have been in alot of commercials and "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots" is a very well known song. Wilco is pretty big now, but your average person on the streets doesn't know them. I will say they are probably better known than Ryan Adams, but to compare Tweedy to Dylan and say they are highly influential is just wrong. They are like 86th on the list of most influential artists right now. Somewhere between Kelly Clarkson and Good Charlotte in the big scheme of things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 More people know those bands than Wilco for sure. Absoutely not. The statistics just don't support it. Sonic Youth and The Flaming Lips have both opened for Wilco because Wilco was the bigger drawing name. The Shins and The Arcade Fire are pimples on Wilco's bottom in terms of recognition. Maybe in your age group w/ your friends more people know the other bands, but overall Wilco has more fame than those groups and greater sales. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Absoutely not. The statistics just don't support it. Sonic Youth and The Flaming Lips have both opened for Wilco because Wilco was the bigger drawing name. The Shins and The Arcade Fire are pimples on Wilco's bottom in terms of recognition. Maybe in your age group w/ your friends more people know the other bands, but overall Wilco has more fame than those groups and greater sales. There is no question in my mind that the Shins are more well known than Wilco. Anyone who saw Garden State knows the Shins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'd still say they aren't as well known as any of those bands in the public opinion, except maybe Sonic Youth. The Arcade Fire were in every single magazine for like a year, the Shins were featured in a very popular movie, and the Flaming Lips have been in alot of commercials and "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots" is a very well known song. Wilco is pretty big now, but your average person on the streets doesn't know them. I will say they are probably better known than Ryan Adams, but to compare Tweedy to Dylan and say they are highly influential is just wrong. They are like 86th on the list of most influential artists right now. Somewhere between Kelly Clarkson and Good Charlotte in the big scheme of things. You bring no statistics to back your point. Just your general "Feeling" of the situation. That "feeling" is mostly based on you being a teenager, who mostly knows other teenagers, which is not a big age group for Wilco. I had tons of college professors who were big Wilco fans. The statistics show that Wilco has outsold those bands. Your view of influential is also idiotic. I'm sorry, I don't like to flame, but have you ever heard of The Velvet Underground? You don't have to sell 50 million records to be influential. They sold about 1 million, and are one of the most influential and important bands EVER. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I did a Google Fight - Poison V. Good Charlotte, I won't post the results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 You bring no statistics to back your point. Just your general "Feeling" of the situation. That "feeling" is mostly based on you being a teenager, who mostly knows other teenagers, which is not a big age group for Wilco. I had tons of college professors who were big Wilco fans. The statistics show that Wilco has outsold those bands.not true... the Flaming Lips have outsold Wilco, and the Shins and Arcade Fire are very close to it. Sonic Youth might have as well, i'd have to double check Soundscan. but they're certainly a more well known name than Wilco and are referenced quite often in pop culture. and you're 24, you don't get to pull the age thing, sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elixir Sue Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'd just like to repeat that outside of this board, like nobody in the world even knows who Wilco is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 There is no question in my mind that the Shins are more well known than Wilco. Anyone who saw Garden State knows the Shins. Eh. It was a reference in Garden State; it wasn't the whole point of Garden State. Most people probably just skimmed over that reference and payed it no mind. If it had influenced that many people, The Shins would have gone gold by now, but they haven't last I checked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VenusStopsTrain2 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 There is no question in my mind that the Shins are more well known than Wilco. Anyone who saw Garden State knows the Shins. According to Google Fight Wilco: 5,590,000 resultsThe Shins: 2,000,000 results Tesla: 10,500,000 resultsThe Shins: 2,000,000 results The Velvet Underground: 8,670,000 resultsWilco: 5,590,000 results And just because I used to work at Borders...here's a weird one for extra measure Borders: 51,900,000 resultsBarnes and Noble: 4,480,000 results Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Tesla = Nikolai Tesla, not a good google fight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ok, fine. They are more popular than those bands. They still could never be called a "popular" band by any definition. They are still an extremely unknown band in the big scheme of things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Eh. It was a reference in Garden State; it wasn't the whole point of Garden State. Most people probably just skimmed over that reference and payed it no mind. If it had influenced that many people, The Shins would have gone gold by now, but they haven't last I checked. Wincing The Night Away went Gold, their other 2 records are just shy. the Garden State soundtrack went platinum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 and you're 24, you don't get to pull the age thing, sorry But I'm just a teenager, man. I don't know shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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