peqger Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 VW - Suicide Bomber I bet that guy was listening to Huey Lewis. BTW, anyway to embed Youtube videos here? I can't seem to find the "turn on HTML" -option. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 "Advertising is the greatest art form of the twentieth century."Marshall McLuhan Here's the thing nickerson... Yes rampant consumerism is problematic. Yes, there are many people who see homes, cars, clothing etc. as a viable replacement for self worth. Duh. No brainer, bubba. I don't happen to personally subscribe to that philosophy. Nor do I watch television. Personal choice. The problem lies in the fact that you have allowed your own personal philosophy grow so disproportionately that you feel entitled to bludgeon others with it. In a perfect universe, artists (and their families if you would allow that) could live like monks, being fed, clothed, housed and medically insured through the kindess of their fans. The world doesn't work that way. It ain't a perfect world. Art is a process, but to make a living at it, it has to become a commodity as well. So whether it's the church buying it, or fans buying it or fucking Volkswagon buying it, what gives you the right to tell an artist how to disseminate it and who he gets to sell it to? That bludgeon Link to post Share on other sites
beadsman Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 They don't owe any of their fans shit. Without fans a band is nothing. They end up on Bloodshot or New West, playing for free beer, schwag weed and clumsy gropes with 4th tier, sandy vagina groupies in stinky tour vans. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Without fans a band is nothing. They end up on Bloodshot or New West, playing for free beer, schwag weed and clumsy gropes with 4th tier, sandy vagina groupies in stinky tour vans. So they OWE me something? I don't get the connection. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 They owe their fans good music. That's it really. Personally I don't think they delivered as effectively as usual with this newest album, but I don't think it was for lack of trying. They certainly don't owe the fans an explanation for business decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
GeckoRlz Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Are you really entertaining the fantasy that any of the members of the band are having ANY problem being fed, clothed, housed, medically insured, or "making a living at it"? They made this decision to gain additional revenue/exposure at the expense of cheapening the music to a huge number of their longtime fans... that to me is a very selfish and disappointing decision. Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 what's the difference between wilco being used in a soundtrack to a movie produced by say universal or warner brothers than being in a 30 second commercial? oh wait I know! the movie companies are much larger corperations so lets not say anything about that. Why stop there screw wilco for being signed to a major label! how dare they! Are you really entertaining the fantasy that any of the members of the band are having ANY problem being fed, clothed, housed, medically insured, or "making a living at it"? They made this decision to gain additional revenue/exposure at the expense of cheapening the music to a huge number of their longtime fans... that to me is a very selfish and disappointing decision. how the hell does it cheapen the music? Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 This is officially insane. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 This is officially insane.I blame Wilco. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Are you really entertaining the fantasy that any of the members of the band are having ANY problem being fed, clothed, housed, medically insured, or "making a living at it"? They made this decision to gain additional revenue/exposure at the expense of cheapening the music to a huge number of their longtime fans... that to me is a very selfish and disappointing decision. They might be well off. Honestly I have no idea. Even if they're doing fine, it doesn't mean they aren't entitled to try to save up for retirement, future generations, etc. Regardless, the question is, do you like the music? If yes, then what's the problem? If no, then why do you care what they do with it? Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I blame Wilco. its obviously VW's fault. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Sandman Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 that to me is a very selfish and disappointing decision. you might even say it puts sand in your vagina? Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 you might even say it puts sand in your vagina?you know what is good for that? Douche. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Sandman Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 you know what is good for that? e-Douche. fixed it for ya. Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 They might be well off. Honestly I have no idea. Even if they're doing fine, it doesn't mean they aren't entitled to try to save up for retirement, future generations, etc. Regardless, the question is, do you like the music? If yes, then what's the problem? If no, then why do you care what they do with it? no they should have said "No thanks we already have enough money we don't want any more, we don't want to promote our music any more either." that would have been the right thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 So they OWE me something? I don't get the connection. Here I'll do the math for you: 1. How to Fight Loneliness was in Girl Interrupted2. Winona Ryder and Angelina Jolie were in Girl Interrupted3. Winona and Angelina are both super smoking hot and by some standards a little crazy4. Winona and Angelina have no gratuitous nude scenes or hot locked up lesbian sex in this movie5. Therefore, Jeff Tweedy et al. owe me $7.50 for a missed opportunity/ wasted time. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Are you really entertaining the fantasy that any of the members of the band are having ANY problem being fed, clothed, housed, medically insured, or "making a living at it"? They made this decision to gain additional revenue/exposure at the expense of cheapening the music to a huge number of their longtime fans... that to me is a very selfish and disappointing decision.Dude, did you not see that part in IATTBYH where they were at Wendy's and the dude only had $6?!!?!?!?!? They probably now (I hope) make more money that I do - 41K USD per annum - but they ain't the Rolling Stones, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites
GeckoRlz Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 no they should have said "No thanks we already have enough money we don't want any more, we don't want to promote our music any more either." that would have been the right thing to do. Because all money is good money, and because all publicity is good publicity... time tested truths Dude, did you not see that part in IATTBYH where they were at Wendy's and the dude only had $6?!!?!?!?!? They probably now (I hope) make more money that I do - 41K USD per annum - but they ain't the Rolling Stones, that's for sure. I guess I'm coming from my own experiences, ie. the many times I've participated in the scrambles to get tickets to the shows before they sell out, which nearly every one does quickly... Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Hope Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 All the hubub over a song that is not commercially available in a commercial that never mentions the band directly or by inference. I got an kick out of it and I managed to tell the people I was watching the Cavs game with all about Wilco. I hope Jeff and the boys make a fucking MINT on this. Jesus frickin christ...I hope the glass house I live in is safe...how about YOU?Great post Crowjack... I got a kick out of the commercial too!! Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Because all money is good money, and because all publicity is good publicity... time tested truths nah I'm sure they thought their fans would love them unconditionally but I guess they were wrong since lost so many fans because of a 30 second commercial. Link to post Share on other sites
beadsman Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Dude, did you not see that part in IATTBYH where they were at Wendy's and the dude only had $6?!!?!?!?!? They probably now (I hope) make more money that I do - 41K USD per annum - but they ain't the Rolling Stones, that's for sure. Wasn't there some drug use involved back then? Steven "Elliott" Smith ran through $1500 a day to get his fix of whatever he was on. Same for the Flaming Lips dude. Tweedy, Smith and Drozd made some amazing records while on all those substances. Just beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Wasn't there some drug use involved back then? Steven "Elliott" Smith ran through $1500 a day to get his fix of whatever he was on. Same for the Flaming Lips dude. Tweedy, Smith and Drozd made some amazing records while on all those substances. Just beautiful. They also made amazing records not on drugs. Link to post Share on other sites
beadsman Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 They also made amazing records not on drugs. Which one(s)? At War with the Mystics? Link to post Share on other sites
j4lackey Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 That bludgeon Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Because all money is good money, and because all publicity is good publicity... time tested truths This sums up where I'm coming from. This might sound dramatic, but this whole thing confirms my worst fear: nothing matters but money. There is absolutely nothing that can't be touched or tainted by monetary interests. I'm a big boy and I am aware of the world we live in, so I should have already known this. Still, you hold out hope that certain things are above crass commercialism. The fact though is nothing is above money. To me, this is a depressing reality - confirmed by that stupid ad campaign. Again, I'm sorry for being dramatic, but this is how I feel. I'm not asking everyone or anyone to agree, but, as a fan, I simply wanted to express my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
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