cryptique Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 As I'm sure I've said countless times before, Sound of Lies is a terrific sounding album, but those lyrics ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nodep5 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 As I'm sure I've said countless times before, Sound of Lies is a terrific sounding album, but those lyrics ... You have said this before, and I never get where you are coming from. Jay Farrar lyrics post original Son Volt (shudder) Sound of Lies (mor) nothing more or less? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 You have said this before, and I never get where you are coming from. Jay Farrar lyrics post original Son Volt (shudder) Sound of Lies (mor) nothing more or less?Try again, in English this time? The lyrics on that album are some of the worst I've ever heard. Clich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Try again, in English this time? The lyrics on that album are some of the worst I've ever heard. Clich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 I noticed that in the most recent thread, there is talk of Sound Of Lies. It's interesting how all most all Jayhawks threads contain a discussion on the merits or failures of that album. I was thinking about this the other day, when I heard read something where yet another band from those days voiced their displeasure at being called alt-country. It's amazing to me how almost all of the bands from that time have distanced themselves from that genre. For me, I quit being interested in the music when they turned away from twang. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 But why shouldn't a band widen their horizons? If that is your rationale then you want Wilco to keep turning out AM and that's it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 We all have our preferences and likes/dislikes, yes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 We all have our preferences and likes/dislikes, yes? Sure, I get that. I don't see why those bands you mentioned should complain about whatever they were labelled though. It got them a fan base of sorts and from there they were entitled to do whatever they pleased, twang or not to twang as it were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nodep5 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Try again, in English this time? The lyrics on that album are some of the worst I've ever heard. Clich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I noticed that in the most recent thread, there is talk of Sound Of Lies. It's interesting how all most all Jayhawks threads contain a discussion on the merits or failures of that album. I was thinking about this the other day, when I heard read something where yet another band from those days voiced their displeasure at being called alt-country. It's amazing to me how almost all of the bands from that time have distanced themselves from that genre. For me, I quit being interested in the music when they turned away from twang. Not every band is capable of evolving into other genres or styles. The Jayhawks were definitely one of them. That's Olson's fault though. He simply left the band which allowed that to happen. All of the post-Olson releases have some excellent tracks, but they are INCREDIBLY inconsistent with some real clunkers. I was incredibly excited for the Olson/Louris reunion album Ready for the Flood, but sadly it turned out to be a weed session between Olson, Louris and Chris Robinson(who hasn't been relevant since 1994). The album lacks any kind of energy at all - and that's a shame because the material they had was outstanding. It's just way underproduced and poorly executed for the sake of capturing a "raw" vibe. The song that Olson and Louris did on Olson's 2003 solo album December'sChild called "Say You'll Be Mine" is superior to anything on Ready For the Flood and does indeed have vitality and energy. The same can be said for Olson's 2008 solo album The Salvation Blues. I'd liek to see these guys get back into the studio, but this time bring a task master and some Red Bull instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 As I'm sure I've said countless times before, Sound of Lies is a terrific sounding album, but those lyrics ... Olson was the lyrics man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 I didn't care for the album, so I did not buy it. I don't agree with all of your comments though. They certainly did change. And although I don't really care for Sound Of Lies, I would rather hear that album than Smile. I am just glad I got to see them back in the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Top 4HTHTTGGBlue Earth Sound of Lies We have to throw in Olson's solo work(and the new Olson/Louris album) as well as the Louris solo album in this to be fair,and I will rank them all: 1. Hollywood Town Hall2. Tomorrow The Green Grass3. Blue Earth4. My Own Jo Ellen5. The Salvation Blues6. December's Child7. The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers8. Pacific Coast Rambler9. Ready for the Flood10. Bunkhouse11.. Rainy Day Music12.. Zola and the Tulip Tree13. The Sound of Lies14. Political Manifest16. Smile17. Vagabonds18. Mystic Theater Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I didn't care for the album, so I did not buy it. I don't agree with all of your comments though. They certainly did change. Yes they did. For the worse. Any band can change, only some can change witha positive result (As was my point). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 I still prefer Blue Earth, Hollywood Town Hall, and Tomorrow The Green Grass above all the rest. Much like Ryan Adams, their earlier work has more raunch, which they seem to have put aside as time went by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I still prefer Blue Earth, Hollywood Town Hall, and Tomorrow The Green Grass above all the rest. Much like Ryan Adams, their earlier work has more raunch, which they seem to have put aside as time went by. isn't this true w/ 99% of artists though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 We have to throw in Olson's solo work(and the new Olson/Louris album) as well as the Louris solo album in this to be fair,and I will rank them all: 1. Hollywood Town Hall2. Tomorrow The Green Grass3. Blue Earth4. My Own Jo Ellen5. The Salvation Blues6. December's Child7. The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers8. Pacific Coast Rambler9. Ready for the Flood10. Bunkhouse11.. Rainy Day Music12.. Zola and the Tulip Tree13. The Sound of Lies14. Political Manifest16. Smile17. Vagabonds18. Mystic Theater I prefer the Mark stuff to but you're being awful harsh on Gary here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I like Mark's solo stuff as well as the Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers. But those HRCD albums are a little hit and miss. For example, on Pacific Coast Rambler, the Mark-dominated songs (Give My Heart To You, Pacific Coast Rambler, and Call the Light) are exemplary. But there's also some pretty lame and/or uninspring stuff like Elijah or Welcome Home Jim. I agree overall that Gary's lyrics are very mediocre (or worse), but Sound of Lies has so many great sounds (including Gary's great voice), that it makes for a better listening experience than pretty much all of Marc's solo stuff or the HRCD. I'd rank Smile a little higher, again because it's got some really cool sounding songs. Rainy Day Music I'd rate lower...it has a few terrific standouts, but is just flat overall. My top 5 from that list would be: 1. Hollywood Town Hall2. Tomorrow the Green Grass3. Sound of Lies4. Blue Earth5. My Own Jo Ellen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orkie Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I still prefer Blue Earth, Hollywood Town Hall, and Tomorrow The Green Grass above all the rest. Much like Ryan Adams, their earlier work has more raunch, which they seem to have put aside as time went by. You should deifnitely listen to some of Olson's solo work then. Check out My Own Jo Ellen and The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers: http://www.lala.com/#search/my%20own%20jo%20ellen http://www.lala.com/#album/72339069015066470 Much better records than Sound of Lies, Smile and Rainy Day Music. While Louris is a great talent, he really headed for the middle of the road adult contemporary sound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I recall reading about those records when they were released, but have never heard them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pmancini100 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 personally, gary louris is the reason i got into the jayhawks in the first place. mark olson never really did it for me, although i love the jayhawks stuff he was involved in. vagabonds rules, i think its the best thing gary louris has ever done. i cant wait for the next one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 i love gary louris, always a little too cool for me, but still a nice guy, great musician, great memories, good times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 i will totally agree on gary's lyrics. i love his voice/guitar playing but his lyrics are so hit & miss (for me anyway). personally, the best post jayhawks solo album is tim o'regan's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 you got that right Matt, wish he's get another out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 yup... easily the best thing put out outside of the Jayhawks catalog. i've heard he's been working on some stuff, so maybe in the next year or so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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