Hot Stove League '07-'08

[Lammycat]

Yeah, I know. There were two potential deals: 1) the Ellsbury deal 2) the Lester/Crisp deal. The WFAN reporter is saying Minnesota favors the Lester/Crisp deal.

Just reminding that MIN apparently has a choice to pick up Ellsbury.

 

Same thing.

[Lammycat]

What does Oakland want for Haren?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/r...option-closing/

[tongue-tied lightning]

Tigers and Marlins talking HUGE deal

[boywiththorninside]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/r...option-closing/

 

Thanks...for the bad news.

[bjorn_skurj]

And in further news, the exciting offseason for mets fans continues...

 

From today's NY Post, Page 6:

 

We

[rwrkb]

Tiger's/Marlins (Dontrelle and Cabrera) possible?

 

sportscenter just "broke" that this deal is happening and that it will be official by midnight after physicals

[P Dub]

sportscenter just "broke" that this deal is happening and that it will be official by midnight after physicals

 

 

Unbelievable!!!

[rwrkb]

Unbelievable!!!

 

yeah, it's a huge deal. definitely took me by surprise today.

[Lammycat]

Dontrelle and Cabrera to Tigers, confirmed?:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...winter_meetings

 

ed. beaten to the punch.

[Chris_H_2]

Evidently this deal is NOT done, but pretty close:

 

Tigers close on Cabrera/Willis deal

by Danny Knobler

Tuesday December 04, 2007, 1:01 PM

 

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tigers are closing in on a deal that would net them both Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis, but despite a report on ESPN, a high-ranking official involved in the talks insisted at 6:30 EST that the deal still isn't complete.

 

``It's not done, but there have been very serious discussions,'' said the official, who refused to be named. ``It hasn't been agreed to yet. All I can tell you is it's in very serious discussions.

 

With the deal in the final stages, general manager Dave Dombrowski just postponed his scheduled 6:10 EST media briefing. The briefing was postponed ``indefinitely,'' not totally surprising as talks are continuing.

 

A person familiar with the talks said this afternoon that the teams were discussing a four-for-two deal in which the Tigers would give up Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and two other players. They would get Cabrera, a third baseman who is one of the best hitters in the game, and Willis, a left-hander who slumped badly in 2007.

 

 

There's some question whether the Marlins will actually be willing to pull the trigger on a deal with the Tigers. They've been asking for a huge return for Cabrera alone in talks with other teams, and have suggested that they wouldn't take a reduced price for Willis if he was packaged alone.

 

The Los Angeles Angels have been the team most linked with Cabrera, and while those talks have stalled over the Marlins' insistence on a fourth player, Angels officials insisted that they remain interested. The Marlins also spoke with the Chicago White Sox, Los Angeles Dodgers and San Francisco Giants. As an example of the type of return they've been demanding, they asked the Giants for young pitchers Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain, and two other major-league players.

 

Both Cabrera and Willis are eligible for free agency after the 2009 season, and both would take big money to sign long-term. The Marlins had been unwilling to offer teams a window to negotiate a contract extension before completing a trade, but one source suggested their position on that has changed.

 

The Tigers had been telling teams that they wouldn't discuss trading Maybin, but without including him in the trade they would have had no chance to get Cabrera.

 

In much-less exciting trade news, the Tigers have acquired relief pitcher Denny Bautista from the Colorado Rockies in exchange for Jose Capellan.

[Lammycat]

With due respect, that was at 1 p.m. and Gammons confirms the deal about 20 minutes ago. Still, it's just Gammons' take but I'd think he wouldn't say it's a done deal if it weren't.

[rwrkb]

yeah, sportscenter is certainly treating it as if it's all but done. they're talking to steve phillips right now and he's raving what a huge deal it is. and he's at the meetings, so it sounds pretty done

[Chris_H_2]

With due respect, that was at 1 p.m. and Gammons confirms the deal about 20 minutes ago. Still, it's just Gammons' take but I'd think he wouldn't say it's a done deal if it weren't.

 

No respect needed. The article was first written at 1:00, and then updated. If you read it, you will notice that it mentions that, as of 6:30 ET, the deal wasn't done.

 

But yes, Danny Knobbler (who is the only trusted source for Detroit Tigers' baseball) is now reporting that it's done.

[Lammycat]

No respect needed. The article was first written at 1:00, and then updated. If you read it, you will notice that it mentions that, as of 6:30 ET, the deal wasn't done.

My bad.

[Chris_H_2]

Done:

 

Tigers get Cabrera/Willis from Marlins

by Danny Knobler

Tuesday December 04, 2007, 6:35 PM

 

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tigers have pulled off a huge trade that will net them both Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Florida Marlins. Top prospects Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller will both go to Florida in the deal, and catcher Mike Rabelo could also be involved.

 

With the deal in the final stages, general manager Dave Dombrowski just postponed his scheduled 6:10 EST media briefing. The briefing was postponed ``indefinitely,'' not totally surprising as talks are continuing.

[Lammycat]

BOS/Santana:

 

"Will Carroll, who is so often dead-on in his medical info on Baseball Prospectus, is saying the Sox/Twins deal is all but done. My sources aren't willing to go that far yet. And BTW, Scott Boras' people confirmed that they have indeed signed Jacoby Ellsbury as a client."

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...ow_a_pause.html

[Atticus]

why can't they call the marlins the marlin?

[bjorn_skurj]

why can't they call the marlins the marlin?

For the same reason they don't call the Mets the Met. It would get confused with the opera house.

[cryptique]

For the same reason they don't call the Mets the Met. It would get confused with the opera house.

"The Marlin" would be confused with that guy from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

[rwrkb]

Schilling's take on the possibility of Santana in Boston (written yesterday):

A rotation featuring Beckett, Santana as the top two is pretty much as good as it can get. The thought of pitching behind these guys has to fire ya up. That being said I look at it like this.

 

If we make the move we

[Lammycat]

David Ortiz named Edgar Martinez Award winner (for DHs) for fifth straight year:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnered=rss_bos

[the_fliz1]

OK, I am a Tigers fan and if they actually do this deal will be despondent. I like Cabrerra and Willis, even though Willis had a down year lasy year. But the prospects they are giving up are way, way, way, too much. Maybin is one of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball. Miller is one of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball, and probably better right now than Willis is. The only other name I know of is catching prospect Mike Rabelo. Rabelo isn't the second coming of Johnny Bench or anything but he is a good switch hitter with a decent arm and he knows how to call a game. The tigers are gutting their farm system for a pitcher that had a +5 era in the NL who will probably blow out his arm in a year or 2 because of his pitching style, and a stud 3rd basemen who can hit like nobodies business but can't feild worth a crap. Plus the reports are saying that the tigers are giving up a total of 6 prospects in the deal. Unless they plan on moving Brandon Inge, who they just signed to a 4 year deal last year, I don't even know where Cabrerra is going to play.

[Chris_H_2]

OK, I am a Tigers fan and if they actually do this deal will be despondent. I like Cabrerra and Willis, even though Willis had a down year lasy year. But the prospects they are giving up are way, way, way, too much. Maybin is one of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball. Miller is one of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball, and probably better right now than Willis is. The only other name I know of is catching prospect Mike Rabelo. Rabelo isn't the second coming of Johnny Bench or anything but he is a good switch hitter with a decent arm and he knows how to call a game. The tigers are gutting their farm system for a pitcher that had a +5 era in the NL who will probably blow out his arm in a year or 2 because of his pitching style, and a stud 3rd basemen who can hit like nobodies business but can't feild worth a crap. Plus the reports are saying that the tigers are giving up a total of 6 prospects in the deal. Unless they plan on moving Brandon Inge, who they just signed to a 4 year deal last year, I don't even know where Cabrerra is going to play.

 

Disagree completely. The reason that you stockpile prospects is to pull off blockbuster trades such as this one. I would trade prospects for proven players any day. And I have yet to see a bad Dave Dombrowski deal.

 

Here's the lineup:

 

CF - Curtis Granderson

2B - Placido Polanco

DH - Gary Sheffield

3B - Miguel Cabrera

RF - Magglio Ordonez

1B - Carlos Guillen

SS - Edgar Renteria

C - Pudge/Inge

LF - Jacque Jones

 

Like the trade or not, you cannot disagree that the Tigers are infinitely better today as they were on October 1st.

[rwrkb]

if nothing else, that's a sick middle of the order

[the_fliz1]

Disagree completely. The reason that you stockpile prospects is to pull off blockbuster trades such as this one. I would trade prospects for proven players any day. And I have yet to see a bad Dave Dombrowski deal.

 

Here's the lineup:

 

CF - Curtis Granderson

2B - Placido Polanco

DH - Gary Sheffield

3B - Miguel Cabrera

RF - Magglio Ordonez

1B - Carlos Guillen

SS - Edgar Renteria

C - Pudge/Inge

LF - Jacque Jones

 

Like the trade or not, you cannot disagree that the Tigers are infinitely better today as they were on October 1st.

 

I have no problem with the line-up for next year. My issue is with the line-up the year after and beyond. Sheffield and Placido are getting up there in age, not to mention Pudge. If they trade Maybin, they aren't going to have anybody to fill in when Sheffield goes and Maggs moves to DH. Rabelo was about the only decent catcher the Tigers had in their system. So when Pudge is gone next year they are fairly well screwed there. Inge was a decent catcher but he has said himself that he doesn't want to go back to catching. Also, I really don't like giving up Miller to get Willis. I mentioned before that Miller is probably better right now than Willis is. I would have rather seen Bonderman go than Miller. ESPN also just reported that one of the other prospects that Detroit is giving up is Euglio De La Cruz. another top ten prospect in the organization. Detroit was finally starting to get some depth and superstar caliber talent in the minor leagues and now between the Renteria and Marlins trades the cupboard is bare with the exception of their first round pick from the last draft, Rick Porcello. Between the 2 trades, the Tigers traded 4 of their top 5 prospects, 6 of their top 10 and there are still 2 players out there yet to be named. Yes it may help the lineup immediately next year but the future doesn't look too bright now. I agree that you stockpile prospects to get the parts you need later on, but at some point you will need some of those prospects.