Lost

[c.lo]

I re-watched this week's episode last night because my fiance was working on Wednesday. I have to say, upon watching again, I am thinking Kate just screwed (pun intended) Jack to save Aaron. I mean she won't tell jack what happened to his nephew and then is all over Jack. They have (implied) sex and -- cut to the next morning -- she is downright cold to him. In keeping with the proxy theory put forth by Eloise, could Kate have kept Aaron off the island by making herself preggers just as Claire was during the Oceanic flight?

 

wow. didn't think of that either.

 

I pvr'd this Wed night & I guess it ran late & I missed the last few minutes. damn it!

[bleedorange]

I just re-watched the episode from the other night. I love how they all were in first class to Guam. So much for "recreating the scenario"...

 

And just me nitpicking - how did Hurley carry on that guitar? It never would have fit into the box.

 

Well, he did buy 78 seats. I think he could have placed it somewhere.

[Mystik Spiral]

Well, he did buy 78 seats. I think he could have placed it somewhere.

 

Haha, good point.

[tongue-tied]

after season three, i got annoyed at how obvious and clunky some of the dialogue was written to keep us in the dark, but it was easily forgiven because then some of the best episodes came about. The last episode had a little too much to disbelieve.

 

If they give bail for serial-homicides, Hurley could have paid it, but you'd think after admitting to murder to the police, they would have locked him up in jail or the asylum. A ghost-visited Hurley could've told cops about Sayid, leading to his arrest, but 1. It would take a group of ninjas to capture Sayid 2. Why would they take him to Guam? It'll probably be revealed that someone of note orchestrated his capture and place on the plane. Also, not one character asks Ben "What the hell happened to your face?"

 

Anyway.

So Sayid is Kate

Kate is Claire

Hurley is Charlie

Sun is Rose

Jack is Sawyer

Locke is Christian and I'll bet a pretty penny his coffin will be discovered empty on the island.

Any connections for Ben?

[OOO]

A ghost-visited Hurley could've told cops about Sayid, leading to his arrest, but 1. It would take a group of ninjas to capture Sayid 2. Why would they take him to Guam?

 

Ben's lawyer made it pretty clear that while at first the police suspected Hurley, all the evidence proved he couldn't have killed the people, and he'd be out on bail in the morning. He's a good lawyer, after all.

 

I don't think Sayid is under arrest for anything recent, but rather a crime he committed on the other side of the world. he's been a worldwide assassin for Ben for a couple years now. (we saw him pull off a couple hits, like the one in Paris) So presumably the one in Guam he got a little sloppy and they traced it back to him and they caught him and are extraditing him to Guam.

[tongue-tied]

Ben's lawyer made it pretty clear that while at first the police suspected Hurley, all the evidence proved he couldn't have killed the people, and he'd be out on bail in the morning. He's a good lawyer, after all.

 

I don't think Sayid is under arrest for anything recent, but rather a crime he committed on the other side of the world. he's been a worldwide assassin for Ben for a couple years now. (we saw him pull off a couple hits, like the one in Paris) So presumably the one in Guam he got a little sloppy and they traced it back to him and they caught him and are extraditing him to Guam.

 

Thank you, this appeases me to some extent. There was a hit in Guam? That would make sense. Again, I don't have a problem with Hurley being on the plane (great lawyer and millions of dollars and powerful people wanting him there) but logic tells me that though he didn't commit the murders, yelling "I killed them all" would send him back to the loony bin, which he was already fugitive from.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Thank you, this appeases me to some extent. There was a hit in Guam? That would make sense. Again, I don't have a problem with Hurley being on the plane (great lawyer and millions of dollars and powerful people wanting him there) but logic tells me that though he didn't commit the murders, yelling "I killed them all" would send him back to the loony bin, which he was already fugitive from.

 

 

I am not an expert on mental health laws (althought I probably should be), but I don't think a person can be involuntarily committed without a court order.

I am presuming that Hurley has been voluntarily committed.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Nope. Common theories especially regarding time travel

 

1. Jack and Kate

2. Sawyer and Kate

3. The Degroots

4. Aaron and Ji Yon

5. Rose and Bernard

6. Ben and Annie

7. Richard and someone else (I personally like this one cause we know how the island likes to use dead people)

 

Really take your pick, it could be anyone.

 

don't forget...Desmond and Penny

Charlie and Claire (strange shit does happen on this island)

Daniel and Charlotte

Sun and Jin

Juliet and (Jack, Saywer, Ben)

 

I don't think the skeleton's in the cave are insignificant....

[Mystik Spiral]

Thank you, this appeases me to some extent. There was a hit in Guam? That would make sense. Again, I don't have a problem with Hurley being on the plane (great lawyer and millions of dollars and powerful people wanting him there) but logic tells me that though he didn't commit the murders, yelling "I killed them all" would send him back to the loony bin, which he was already fugitive from.

 

Also, I don't believe he'd been mirandized when he yelled that he killed them all, making that confession worthless in court. Thank you Law & Order.

[caliber66]

In last week's episode, it appears that there was a mistake in the time jumping consequences for our island friends. When Jin was running away from young crazy Danielle, there was a timely flash and Jin jumps time to be saved, apparently alone in the jungle. But he then hears the sound of a round being chambered in a rifle, slowly turns around, and there is Sawyer and the rest of our island friends. But why weren't they there when Jin was running away from Danielle? Was Jin skipping through different time periods from the other time jumpers? Does anyone have any insight as to this seeming inconsistency?

Jin is running from Danielle. Sawyer, et al., are running toward unidentified voices. Cue flash/disorientation. Sawyer cocks his gun because he still doesn't know whose voice he was running toward. Everybody has a good laugh.

 

Anyway.

So Sayid is Kate

Kate is Claire

Hurley is Charlie

Sun is Rose

Jack is Sawyer

Locke is Christian and I'll bet a pretty penny his coffin will be discovered empty on the island.

Any connections for Ben?

Maybe Ben is Locke, with his injured limb(s)? That's all I got.

 

Also, if Jack is Jacob, maybe Christian is Christ - which would make Jack's father his descendant, since Jacob is the father of the Twelve Tribes. If the Oceanic Five are back on the island during a '50s time jump, that certainly doesn't fit the time frame.

 

And does Daniel infiltrating the DI = Daniel in the lions' den?

[miss jayne]

Okay, is anyone else having to watch this one a few more times than usual?

 

"We're not going to Guam are we?"

[insideoutoflove]

i don't know, sayid didnt look super phased by the whole ordeal. neither did the cop. felt staged to me (meaning sayid was in on it for whatever reason). i mean, if sayid really just happened to be arrested at the same time and put on the same plane, wouldnt you expect a major freak out when he sees the rest of the losties on his plane, when he was so adamant about not going back just hours earlier? i feel like he would have struggled a bit...

 

okay, and it really annoyed me when jack sat down next to kate and started talking about how everyone ending up on the plane was a "weird coincidence" or whatever. come on. really??

 

definitely a lot of questions left to be answered. looking forward to this week's episode

[Mystik Spiral]

i don't know, sayid didnt look super phased by the whole ordeal. neither did the cop. felt staged to me (meaning sayid was in on it for whatever reason). i mean, if sayid really just happened to be arrested at the same time and put on the same plane, wouldnt you expect a major freak out when he sees the rest of the losties on his plane, when he was so adamant about not going back just hours earlier? i feel like he would have struggled a bit...

 

I don't know about the woman "escorting" Sayid, but to me, Sayid just doesn't seem like the type of guy to be "freaking out" about anything. If he's truly under arrest, what good would it do to start shouting about the other passengers? I still think Ben had something to do with getting Sayid on that plane, maybe Sayid just accepted his fate.

 

And as for the whole recreating of 815, notice that Ben barely made the plane, just like Hurley on the original flight... Do you guys think Ben did make it back to the island? Seems it's unclear whether flight 316 actually crashed or if the O6-1 just managed to drop off when the plane passed through the window.

 

Oh I can't wait for Wednesday.

[Guest Gym Teacher Man]

Maybe Ben is Locke, with his injured limb(s)? That's all I got.

 

agreed.

[jmacomber68w]

I'm not much for fan made vids, but I ran into this on youtube. It really got me pumped up for tonight...

 

[Mystik Spiral]

That was a pretty cool video. I am anticipating a great episode tonight.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

I'm not much for fan made vids, but I ran into this on youtube. It really got me pumped up for tonight...

 

 

 

That is ONE HELLUVA fan vid.

[LouisvilleGreg]

Walt returns tonight!

[Analogman]

I wonder if Ben was fighting Mr. Abaddon.

 

Characters of Lost

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

A couple of real holy shit moments tonight...

 

"He's the man who killed me".

 

Is Widmore a good guy?

[Mystik Spiral]

^^Thinking through this whole episode that I now have no idea where to fall on the whole Charles/Ben thing anymore...

 

And just when I thought that all those lame theories about hiding a damn medusa spider in Locke's coffin were going to come true - Ben kills Locke?!? I literally went from the verge of losing all respect for this show to gaining a whole new respect. Good stuff.

 

I was also completely shocked when Abbadon was shot. Completely.

 

The "enhanced" episode from last week, where they specifically mentioned Ben's promise to kill Penny leads me to believe (and hope!) that it's not the reason Ben's face was all f***ed up when he boarded 316.

[jmacomber68w]

The "enhanced" episode from last week, where they specifically mentioned Ben's promise to kill Penny leads me to believe (and hope!) that it's not the reason Ben's face was all f***ed up when he boarded 316.

 

One big theory being thrown tonight was that idea, it looked like Ben was near boats last week when he made that call

[Mystik Spiral]

But, the O6 all met on the docks to begin with, when Sun threatened to shoot Ben, when Sayid and Kate begged off from going back to the island. They were on a dock. I think it's meant to be misleading. I'm still kind of holding on to the thought that Penny and baby Charlie aren't anywhere near LA. I mean, when Desmond got Ms. Hawking's address from Widmore they were in England. How long would it take to sail from England to LA? A while. The main reason Des & Penny were laying low was to be safe from Widmore, but that became moot when Des went to Widmore for the address in the first place. Maybe Des left Penny & Charlie and just flew to LA to give his message to Ms. Hawking?

 

Also, Widmore's non-reluctance to give Des Ms. Hawking's LA address AND Penny's address (in The Constant) is part of what leads me to believe he may be the good guy here. Perhaps the whole reason he was ever cold to Desmond was to assure he went to the island in the first place? The reason Des participated in the sailing race around the world was to prove himself to Widmore.

 

I want to believe Ben is OK, but more and more I distrust him.

[TCP]

I don't understand why Ben killed John? Why not just let him do it? You know, less guilt? Less hassle? You don't have to go and clean the room of your finger prints!

I don't think either Widmore or Ben are good, I think they're both just using the O6 and Ben for their own purposes.

 

On a completely unrelated note I really appreciate the producers chosing an end date for Lost. I'm so glad we haven't had any "filler" episodes since season 3 (like the episode that explains how Jack got his tattoos, or the whole Paulo and Nikki thing).

[OOO]

I don't understand why Ben killed John? Why not just let him do it? You know, less guilt? Less hassle? You don't have to go and clean the room of your finger prints!

 

He needed information from John that he didn't have. Once he knew that he had to talk to Eloise Hawking to get back to the island, and with the knowledge that he could lure Sun with the ring, he didn't need John anymore. Since John is the new leader of the others, I assume Ben felt like he could do a better job protecting the island as leader. Furthermore, being friends with Widmore would be a cardinal sin to Ben, so I think he also got him out of the way to make sure Whidmore didn't have any cards to play or something. Ben is pretty bad at keeping John dead.