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[bobbob1313]

It has been a civil coversation until now. You've shown you have little class.

 

I know she has a husband. But with 5 kids you'd think she would pick a career not so demanding. Just sayin'.

 

If you choose thave 5 children then both parents should make the sacrfices needed to be there for the chirldren. Is that so dificult to understand?

 

The person questioning someone they've never met's parenting skills is going to lecture me on class. Alright.

 

And if the 17 year old doesn't get pregnant? Is she still aterrible mother? If she's a man is this even a discussion? That's the one question you've consistently dodged all day.

[Sunken mountain]

Democratic Party-ideology

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Thanks for the links.

I know a little about.And you don

[Analogman]

GOP?

I don

[bjorn_skurj]

GOP?

I don

[mybenito]

The person questioning someone they've never met's parenting skills is going to lecture me on class. Alright.

 

And if the 17 year old doesn't get pregnant? Is she still aterrible mother? If she's a man is this even a discussion? That's the one question you've consistently dodged all day.

 

I'm not lecturing you. You seem sensitive to opposing views.

 

If she is not making the sacrificies needed to be there for her children then I can question her parenting skills. Especially when Palin is telling other women what choices to make in there lives.

 

Man or woman does not matter. You should be there for your kids period. My father abandoned me after I was born. Is he a good father -NO.

 

Answer my question: What do you think Palin has been doing the past 3 years? Doesn't seem like she balanced her career and family life very well. That is how it looks.

[bobbob1313]

Have you met her? Have you seen how she is with her family? Did you even know who she was before last Thursday? Is Barrack Obama a bad parent? He's been pretty busy since 2004, hasn't he?

[mybenito]

Have you met her? Have you seen how she is with her family? Did you even know who she was before last Thursday? Is Barrack Obama a bad parent? He's been pretty busy since 2004, hasn't he?

 

No I haven't met her. Have you? It just looks funny to me. Have you heard of her before last Thursday? What are you so proud about. Tell me of her great accomplishments. Look Obama isn't telling woman how to make these choices, Palin is. Obama is offering programs to help unwanted pregnancies.

 

So I'm done with you. Now I'm gonna go play basketball with my son who came into my life through an unplanned pregnancy.

[bobbob1313]

So Obama might be a bad parent?

 

At the very least, he's a better man than some of his supporters seem to be.

 

Sen. Obama's response to today's Palin story:

 

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits. And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and/or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."

[Lammycat]

And to boot, Obama's said he'd shit-can anybody working for him that leaked any erroneous garbage surrounding the Palin bunk about the baby.

 

Best strategy for his campaign, at least, is to steer clear of comments regarding this situation, even though he seems sincere in his words.

[bobbob1313]

Well, yeah. But I'm sure Bush said the same things in 2000 in South Carolina.

 

Not saying his campaign was behind any of the rumors, but they are probably big fans of whoever was.

[mybenito]

At the very least, he's a better man than some of his supporters seem to be.

 

Obama is a far better man than me. That there is no doubt.

[Lammycat]

Well, yeah. But I'm sure Bush said the same things in 2000 in South Carolina.

 

Not saying his campaign was behind any of the rumors, but they are probably big fans of whoever was.

Rumors aside and debunked, the truth that's come out, while irrelevant in the eyes of some McCain supporters, may prove to be a death blow in the long run. It'll be interesting to see if the McCain camp can turn a positive spin on it.

[bobbob1313]

Well, I think she's going to absolutely destroy Biden in the court of popular opinion in the debates, and I think this will only help in that regard. Biden can come off as kind of a dick, and he's going to have to step very lightly with her.

 

And man, from a political POV how much does it help their campaign that both McCain and Palin have kids in the Army?

[Gobias Industries]

And man, from a political POV how much does it help their campaign that both McCain and Palin have kids in the Army?

 

Biden's kid (Attorney General of Delaware, too, I think) is getting shipped off to Iraq within a month or something. Obama's kids aren't of age. You can't honestly say that having kids in the Army provides any (in)tangible advantage for the Republicans when the Democrats have (almost) equal footing. I say almost because Obama's kids aren't of age. You can't hold shit against him for that.

[Lammycat]

Well, I think she's going to absolutely destroy Biden in the court of popular opinion in the debates, and I think this will only help in that regard. Biden can come off as kind of a dick, and he's going to have to step very lightly with her.

 

And man, from a political POV how much does it help their campaign that both McCain and Palin have kids in the Army?

There's more dirt being aired about Palin, not just that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant (not that this in itself is "dirt," per se, but that she backs abstinence-only sex ed. and also opted to risk having her daughter nationally exposed/embarrassed(?) when she accepted the VP nomination). Both questionable character judgments to some.

 

Biden has already made his appearance at the Democratic National Convention and people have a positive (at the least, non-dirt/scandal/issue) attitude of him right now. Seems like an obvious uphill battle for McCain/Palin, to me.

[Analogman]

Biden's kid (Attorney General of Delaware, too, I think) is getting shipped off to Iraq within a month or something. Obama's kids aren't of age. You can't honestly say that having kids in the Army provides any (in)tangible advantage for the Republicans when the Democrats have (almost) equal footing.

 

 

It's a plus for those I see carrying the Pro-War signs in photos of rallies against the war.

 

I wonder how the religious right faction of the Republican party is going to deal with the out of wedlock pregnancy of their VP's daughter.

[bobbob1313]

I just think in the same way people thought Gore was too condescending and mean to Bush, it'll be very easy for the same thing to happen with Biden and Palin in the debates. I would count on her coming out ahead.

[Lammycat]

I just think in the same way people thought Gore was too condescending and mean to Bush, it'll be very easy for the same thing to happen with Biden and Palin in the debates. I would count on her coming out ahead.

We'll see. It's possible for the McCain campaign to spin it into a positive. I think Biden would be well-advised to let her handle the questions and stay out of it regarding today's news.

[bjorn_skurj]

I wonder how the religious right faction of the Republican party is going to deal with the out of wedlock pregnancy of their VP's daughter.

As long as they get married, it's all good!

[austrya]

There's more dirt being aired about Palin, not just that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant (not that this in itself is "dirt," per se, but that she backs abstinence-only sex ed. and also opted to risk having her daughter nationally exposed/embarrassed(?) when she accepted the VP nomination). Both questionable character judgments to some.

 

Biden has already made his appearance at the Democratic National Convention and people have a positive (at the least, non-dirt/scandal/issue) attitude of him right now. Seems like an obvious uphill battle for McCain/Palin, to me.

 

I thought the same thing. I feel for Bristol Palin. I wonder if her and the baby daddy want to get married or if there is pressure from the parents? I don't think ANYONE should be forced to get married against their will, baby or no baby.

[Good Old Neon]

I just think in the same way people thought Gore was too condescending and mean to Bush, it'll be very easy for the same thing to happen with Biden and Palin in the debates. I would count on her coming out ahead.

 

Yeah, unfortunately, in this country, intelligence takes a back seat to feigned humility. Gore did sigh fairly often throughout the debates - but can you really blame him? Bush, as he did against Kerry, came across as a complete and total moron. Go back and watch the debates, it was sort of what you think it might be like to watch a second grader debate a college professor- embarrassing. And, unfortunately, as would probably happen if a 2nd grader did debate a college professor, the professor would probably lose because his or her opponent was just so, I don

[Lammycat]

I thought the same thing. I feel for Bristol Palin. I wonder if her and the baby daddy want to get married or if there is pressure from the parents? I don't think ANYONE should be forced to get married against their will, baby or no baby.

According to the reports, she made her own decision...

 

"Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

 

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said."

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901

[Analogman]

As long as they get married, it's all good!

 

We'll see.

 

I know some people who belong to one of those so-called mega-churches, and, who happen to be Republicans. I am curious to see what they have to say about this deal.

 

I wonder how many news media people are on the hunt for a photograph of the dude in question right now.

[bjorn_skurj]

We'll see.

 

I know some people who belong to one of those so-called mega-churches, and, who happen to be Republicans. I am curious to see what they have to say about this deal.

 

I wonder how many news media people are on the hunt for a photograph of the dude in question right now.

"'Divorced at 19: The Bristol Palin Story,' tonight on Lifetime!"

[sweetheart-mine]

it will be more than interesting if the right gets upset about people criticizing palin's family life, a private matter. they would be all over a democrat's v.p. nominee if that v.p. choice were, for example, gay -- also a private matter. can you imagine the uproar?

 

i think the criticism of palin's family life is nonsense, and so is the notion that she's a bad mother for taking a time-consuming job when she has X number of children. what is this, 1951? the only appropriate thing to criticize would be if she failed to inform mccain of her unmarried daughter's pregnancy. it sounds like she did inform him, which once again shows mccain's poor judgment, because the media (not to mention both right and left blogs and message boards!) were bound to make an issue of it and because there probably is some hypocrisy in there, having to do with palin's views on sex education, birth control, and abstinence.

 

as a few mention here, there are so many legit reasons why mccain's choice of palin is a very poor one -- who needs to make any up or go after her family life, which is none of our business?