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The RNC is bringing up the man McCain used to be to make the McCain of today look better. While in Congress he wasn't a huge flip-flopper like today, pretty consistent on most issues. But as soon as he decided he wanted to be prez, he tossed most of his positions in the republican trash can in order to get elected. The "straight talking Maverick" says what ever you want to hear now. So what McCain are they talking about??????

 

 

 

Here's a list of 75 flip-flops by McCain since running for election from the The Official McCain Flip-Flop List-http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops

 

I realize all politicians flip-flop. But for real, this is ridiculous.

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Good Old Neon

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More wonderful news from the world of Sarah Palin, our young earth creationist nutbag of the week:

 

"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." - Time Magazine

 

Source - http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

 

And there's more - let's take a look at some of Palin's pastor's opinions, and lets just hope Palin does not share them, even a little bit:

 

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

 

It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

 

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement. "As for her personal beliefs," the statement added, "Governor Palin is well able to speak for herself on those issues."

 

Clearly, however, Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

 

And if the political storm over Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.

 

If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for certain national politicians.

 

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."

 

Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

 

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

 

As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know."

 

Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."

 

 

Source - http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2...9170/241/583511

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More wonderful news from the world of Sarah Palin, our young earth creationist nutbag of the week:

 

"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." - Time Magazine

 

That does not surprise me.

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And there's more - let's take a look at some of Palin's pastor's opinions, and lets just hope Palin does not share them, even a little bit:

Isn't this something you'd criticize the other side for doing - bringing up the content of the candidate's pastor's sermons?

 

Why lower yourself to their level?

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The way I see the RNC up till today...POW, 911, Maverick.

 

Today: POW 911 MAverick, Mommy.

 

My wife heard a story and I have no clue as to its validity, she's not really a news person so it may be rumor. But the story is that with this last child Palin fleew away for a speaking engangement. Her water broke, but rather than go to the doctor she did her speech, flew home and then delivered. My wife now thinks Palin has serious judgemen issues in that she would fly in her 9th month (generally not allowed) that she did her speech (implying that it was more important than the babay) flew home (rather than seek immediate medical attention). If true all of this flys in the face of how most women woudl handle their pregnancies. If true and the story gained traction this is the sort of thing that would cost the republicans more votes than McCain getting caught with a hooker.

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The way I see the RNC up till today...POW, 911, Maverick.

 

Today: POW 911 MAverick, Mommy.

 

My wife heard a story and I have no clue as to its validity, she's not really a news person so it may be rumor. But the story is that with this last child Palin fleew away for a speaking engangement. Her water broke, but rather than go to the doctor she did her speech, flew home and then delivered. My wife now thinks Palin has serious judgemen issues in that she would fly in her 9th month (generally not allowed) that she did her speech (implying that it was more important than the babay) flew home (rather than seek immediate medical attention). If true all of this flys in the face of how most women woudl handle their pregnancies. If true and the story gained traction this is the sort of thing that would cost the republicans more votes than McCain getting caught with a hooker.

:yawn Old news.......if that's what you call it. Let's face it, if she'd had an abortion the argument would be, "It's her choice, damn it." But now she HAD the baby and it's "Can we trust her decision making skills?" Come on, really? I do not want to argue or debate abortion. It really is a womans body but this decision argument is "wack".

 

 

Did mention........she hunts? shhhhhhh :rolleyes

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2.Republicans are all pasty old rich white dudes

 

Fred Thompson is a fine example. from what I've seen and read regarding the GOP convention is the same bunch of people who are truly out of touch and think this country is on the right track, with a war that we don't need to be in and insurmountable debt. everything is just fine isn't it! it's all great, it's all good! 4 more years! :barf

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My wife heard a story and I have no clue as to its validity, she's not really a news person so it may be rumor. But the story is that with this last child Palin fleew away for a speaking engangement. Her water broke, but rather than go to the doctor she did her speech, flew home and then delivered. My wife now thinks Palin has serious judgemen issues in that she would fly in her 9th month (generally not allowed) that she did her speech (implying that it was more important than the babay) flew home (rather than seek immediate medical attention). If true all of this flys in the face of how most women woudl handle their pregnancies. If true and the story gained traction this is the sort of thing that would cost the republicans more votes than McCain getting caught with a hooker.

john s, you've had a lot to offer in these threads and i appreciate them, but the above rumor (or fact, whichever it is) was discussed at length in the last thread, and i hope no one minds if i quote my own post from that thread which was put up just before the thread was shut down:

 

i believe this:

 

"the media and others focusing on palin's private family life will hand the election to mccain on a silver platter. this will be a picnic for him if people keep the ticket on the defensive for irrelevant reasons. leave her private life alone, and all the wrong reasons for her being chosen by mccain will float up to the surface on their own."

 

 

p.s. today: actually, they seem to be racing, not floating, to the surface.

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Yeah just what we need. Another VP who likes guns.

if history repeats itself re: a VP with a gun, jon stewart will probably kill me. he made me laugh myself nearly to death for weeks the first time around.

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Good Old Neon

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Isn't this something you'd criticize the other side for doing - bringing up the content of the candidate's pastor's sermons?

 

Why lower yourself to their level?

 

Well, to be fair, I did give Obama shit when it was his pastor burning up the airwaves

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Fred Thompson is a fine example. from what I've seen and read regarding the GOP convention is the same bunch of people who are truly out of touch and think this country is on the right track, with a war that we don't need to be in and insurmountable debt. everything is just fine isn't it! it's all great, it's all good! 4 more years! :barf

you forgot to show diminished mental capacity in your example.

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Yeah, I'm still not convinced the DFL is the answer, you'll have to try harder. Thanks.

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