bobbob1313 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 It surprises me, but I just fell in love with you a little bit.I've been saying it for a while, nick's good people. Bullheaded at times, but we all are. At least it's a beautiful day today. 65 degrees and not a cloud in sight. Kind of don't mind standing in line for 2 hours on a day like this. Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 can you photoshop Obama's face onto the body? Oh man, that'd be awesome.seconded Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Obama will receive my vote, but I Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 be decided to step out of line to grab lunch. Got my sample ballot, so I'm gonna sit down and think hard about all of it. Line apparentlydies down at 1 every day. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thanks for your support...... LouieBYou betcha. Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Obama will receive my vote, but I Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I think Clinton and Reagan were both good-to-great presidents. My favorite flavor is chocolate and vanilla. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 http://archive.viachicago.org/index.php?showtopic=7186 Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 You know what, it's not worth it. You are so god damned closeminded to anyone who disagrees with you. Fuck it, you are right. Actually, the other stuff is why I'm considering him right now. But I don't really want to.Yea fuck it...actually you didn't read even my last post..... If you truly believe that McCain/Palin will be better for the USA, vote for them. I can respect that point of view entirely. You want someone who is going to kick our "enemies" asses, you want to give more tax breaks to the rich so there can be a trickle down effect, you want to end abortion, you want to drill for more oil, you want all the stuff Republicans say they want (including smaller government, a more conservative Supreme Court, etc. etc.) I DO respect that point of view EVEN if I disagree with it. Because that is a decision based on ideology which while I don't agree with that ideology at least it is cogent. But attacking Obama because he knows Bill Ayers, or because he is a Socialist or some other bullshit, or on the other end of the scale because he is not radical enough socially or economically (not really a Socialist or Communist) or won't end the war immediately (which even I wish was possible, but clearly is logistically impossible at this stage), that's just a bunch of crap. Once again I can't figure out what you want bobbob, really I can't. If you don't want to vote Obama, vote Palin/McCain and make it clear to all of us having to babysit you (yea, that IS smug..) about your reservations. You have exactly one week to figure it out. Fish or fucking cut bait comrade. But when you do, do us the favor and let us know why you finally made a decision, since at this point I sure can't figure it out. I just know one thing...one simple overriding fact. Obama is a good man (not perfect, but good) and his candidacy has sparked the imagination of millions of people who usually wouldn't give a shit about this (and didn't about Al Gore or John Kerry.) This includes young and old and black and white. Just now one of my African American coworkers gave voice to the fact that this insanity has to stop (the Bush/Cheney years). Voting for McCain won't stop the madness; voting for Obama will stem the tide. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
rareair Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 My favorite flavor is chocolate and vanilla. royal fudge twirl does kick ass. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Vote your conscience and to hell with anyone who would tell you otherwise.This is about the only point in this thread I've tried to get across. I've never said I was voting 3rd party (though who knows, I may) but I do know that whomever receives my vote will receive it with full intent. Louie telling me I'm wrong is equal to me telling him he's wrong in voting his conscience. No difference whatsoever. Except I never told him that because how he votes doesn't matter to me. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 http://archive.viachicago.org/index.php?showtopic=7186Heh. Its always weird to see "flashbacks" like this that include posts I don't remember writing. Nothing on the internet ever dies, does it? This is at least a step up from Googling myself and coming up with results of Amazon.com reviews I wrote when I was staggeringly drunk in college. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Obama Continues Fox News Pushback Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I just know one thing...one simple overriding fact. Obama is a good man (not perfect, but good) and his candidacy has sparked the imagination of millions of people who usually wouldn't give a shit about this Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 This is about the only point in this thread I've tried to get across. I've never said I was voting 3rd party (though who knows, I may) but I do know that whomever receives my vote will receive it with full intent. Louie telling me I'm wrong is equal to me telling him he's wrong in voting his conscience. No difference whatsoever. Except I never told him that because how he votes doesn't matter to me.Actually if you re-read my past posts I have said that you are entitled to vote third party if you so choose. I hardily disagree with that perspective, but I know plenty of people who have voted that way and so it goes. I have never said you should not vote your concience, EVER!! But I do question what concience is, in this election for voting for a third party candidate for President; that I just can't wrap my brain around. Just so you know....I voted Green on several local races. I am certainly not opposed to it in those cases, only in the case of the Presidential election where so much is at stake. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 if someone is passionate about this election (and millions are, myself included), what is the big surprise when he tries to explain to people sitting on the fence or blase (or both) why the differences between the candidates are important? i don't get that. even if i were a mccain supporter (hard to imagine, but for the sake of argument) i think i might find it refreshing when someone writes more than one-liners just to bait people because he's feels and believes strongly about the candidate and/or about the need to get this country out of the hands of bush/cheney and their band of neocons. geez, it's good to see some passion, and for something real, instead of o.d.ing on flippant cynicism. i love humor and a lot of people here make me laugh, but my catch-up read of the last five pages of this thread just now was kind of disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Actually if you re-read my past posts I have said that you are entitled to vote third party if you so choose. I hardily disagree with that perspective, but I know plenty of people who have voted that way and so it goes. I have never said you should not vote your concience, EVER!! But I do question what concience is, in this election for voting for a third party candidate for President; that I just can't wrap my brain around. Just so you know....I voted Green on several local races. I am certainly not opposed to it in those cases, only in the case of the Presidential election where so much is at stake. LouieB I'm pretty sure it said 'you're entitled to be a selfish bastard.' Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wonder how some of you felt about third party voting when Ross Perot took quite a few votes from an incumbent George Bush possibly swinging the election in Clintons favor. I know quite a few of you blame a third party Nader candidacy for Gores defeat. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I'm pretty sure it said 'you're entitled to be a selfish bastard.'I did....you are entitled to be a selfish bastard if you so choose. What's to argue with there?? When we make decisions that are wrapped up in self interest we are selfish sometimes. When John McCain stands up and says he wants you to keep more of your own money and Obama wants to redistribute the wealth, what is he saying? That we all want what is ours and we shouldn't give it to anyone else. I am certainly selfish when I get in arguments here with people who think that voting for Nader is a good idea, because I want Obama to win, not Nader and not Sarah Palin. When someone wants to end the war, that's selfish, when someone wants to continue the war, that's selfish. When someone wants to end abortion, that's selfish, when someone wants to continue abortion, that's selfish. What I would like at this point is some shellfish.... LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wonder how some of you felt about third party voting when Ross Perot took quite a few votes from an incumbent George Bush possibly swinging the election in Clintons favor.Why would he feel any differently about it? Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wonder how some of you felt about third party voting when Ross Perot took quite a few votes from an incumbent George Bush possibly swinging the election in Clintons favor. I know quite a few of you blame a third party Nader candidacy for Gores defeat.He did and he also did. That was a different time and a different election. That was then, this is now!!! I didn't have nearly as stong feelings about Clinton or frankly anyone in that election. Likewise I didn't have AS strong feelings about 2000, but in retrospect the Nader votes were a disaster, not only because it helped Bush get elected, but because Nader has turned out to be a selfish bastard. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wonder how some of you felt about third party voting when Ross Perot took quite a few votes from an incumbent George Bush possibly swinging the election in Clintons favor. I know quite a few of you blame a third party Nader candidacy for Gores defeat.How is one supposed to feel in relation to how another person opts to vote? Anger? Disappointment? I guess I just don't "see" how an individual chooses to vote in an anonymous and multi-party election miffs another person. I understand the theory of "stealing" or "taking" votes, but that's a term used by people who feel others forsaked them by not voting for "their" candidate. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I know quite a few of you blame a third party Nader candidacy for Gores defeat.There's a difference between "blame" and "chalk up...to." Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wonder how some of you felt about third party voting when Ross Perot took quite a few votes from an incumbent George Bush possibly swinging the election in Clintons favor. I know quite a few of you blame a third party Nader candidacy for Gores defeat. i think anyone who voted for perot while thinking that clinton would be a disaster wasn't too bright. just like it wasn't too bright for me to vote for nader in 2000 when i thought bush would be pretty terrible (though i had no idea just how terrible). Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Actually I've heard it stated here that a vote for Nader = a vote for McCain, I'd wager the majority here would have no problem with a groundswell of support for a third party candidate (like Perot) who would take votes from McCain. And for the record I couldn Link to post Share on other sites
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