Tweedling Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Give up. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Give up.You'll thank us later.... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I guess we have to start hanging out in the 2016 thread instead of this one.Meanwhile, not everyone is as optimistic as me about the Republican party doing any real soul-searching:http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13350368/content/95277907-donald-trump Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Give up. Why give up? "They Live" was released on blu-ray this week! Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Still waiting for the FL results to become official so Silver can put up the "I got it right again, bitches!!!!" post that he's so eagerly anticipating... Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 So where is Sparky telling us we are all losers? Maybe in the other thread? I guess I should look there. To the rest of us, glad that shit is over. Now the shit starts all over again. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Sparky is more than likely gearing up for today's Sandy aftershock, so let's cut him some slack. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Sparky probably shot out his TV last night when it became apparent that one of the two clones was going to win. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 You'll thank us later....Man I hope so! Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 So much for the cutting of slack. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 When I voted for Obama in 2008 I voted with eight years in mind because of how much work needed to be done to recover from our disastrous state of affairs; so I was pleased with his victory last night. I have voted both ways throughout the years, as I am registered independent, but this time I did something I thought I'd never do: I voted straight ticket (D). Reason being: I don't like the way business is being done and how the Republican party has made it a point to be an obstacle to recovery, let alone progress. The kicker for me was during the credit rating issue when the R's said publicly, "We're not negotiating." If congressmen are not negotiating and finding functional compromises, what are they doing in D.C.? I'm hoping the true Republican party will stand up to the tea baggers so they can restore their functionality, let alone their credibility. I would like to see a Rubio/Christie ticket in '16. I'm also hoping the Dems are grooming a couple solid comers in their party. It'd be a mistake to push Joe Biden four years from now. Link to post Share on other sites
Turnips Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 good article here: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 When I voted for Obama in 2008 I voted with eight years in mind because of how much work needed to be done to recover from our disastrous state of affairs; so I was pleased with his victory last night. I have voted both ways throughout the years, as I am registered independent, but this time I did something I thought I'd never do: I voted straight ticket (D). Reason being: I don't like the way business is being done and how the Republican party has made it a point to be an obstacle to recovery, let alone progress. The kicker for me was during the credit rating issue when the R's said publicly, "We're not negotiating." If congressmen are not negotiating and finding functional compromises, what are they doing in D.C.? I'm hoping the true Republican party will stand up to the tea baggers so they can restore their functionality, let alone their credibility. I would like to see a Rubio/Christie ticket in '16. I'm also hoping the Dems are grooming a couple solid comers in their party. It'd be a mistake to push Joe Biden four years from now.Your post really mirrors my own experience. I was an independent for years, until I moved to Florida and learned you can't vote in primaries here unless you register with a party. Even then, I didn't always vote for a Dem...depended on the issues, the record(s) or lack thereof....a great Republican with a proven record of moderate views and bipartisanship would trump a no-experience Dem for me back then.Through the intervening years, I have watched the Republican party become increasingly, frighteningly far right, the Teabaggers being the latest egregious example. Even Reagan would have been too liberal for a lot of these guys. When Obama ran, he specifically said, "It may take more than one year, or even more than one term...," and I took that as a very clever signal that he knew he was in this for the long haul. But frankly, I think even he was surprised by the way Mitch McConnell and the good old boy network on the Hill made it their mission to make him a one-termer and then obstruct every single thing he put forth.People used to hate politicians because they would always compromise, but we need them to do that now more than ever. Pure obstructionism in the name of "principle" is one of the worst things to happen to Congress in years, and I think it accounts in large part for their 5% approval rating. Like yourself, I'm hopeful that the Republicans will stand up to their Tea Party people (some of whom are now, thankfully, out), and help get some things done. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 good article here: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic That's an interesting article. I will never subscribe to the belief that Fox News is as bad as people say. I think that has taken on a life of its own. Hell, the news side was sticking to its guns about Ohio despite Karl Rove's ravings. However, it does seem that they missed the mark on what kind of chance Romney had last night. I don't know if that was a product of wishful thinking or an over-reliance on unproven data. I also think the GOP has overestimated the importance of the Tea Party. As the demographics of the nation evolve, there is no way Republicans have a chance of winning by continuing to alienate and demonize women and Hispanics. It boggles my mind. And things need to change. Even the Senate could have been up for grabs last night, but Republicans nominated insane far-right candidates who had zero chance of winning even before they all went on their abortion tirades. The place to win elections is in the center. The fact that the party has drifted to the right of Reagan is troubling. I don't even think he would recognize the party today. It will be an interesting two years with the Republican House. Hopefully both sides can come towards the middle and compromise on the important things. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 What happened, and where does it head from here? I think Tom Friedman put it very well today: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/opinion/friedman-hope-and-change-part-two.html?hp Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Yes. Doesn't look good but it ain't over til it's over. a black Romney voter?!? Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 a black Romney voter?!? Where, where? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Right here motherfucker. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Oh, this is SUCH a good day. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Since the election is over...can we put this fucker to bed? Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think lost highway has to lock it, unless the moderators do.It's been stressful, but it was worth it for the excellent outcome. Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 People are still discussing the election, so I don't see a reason to lock it (yet!). It'll fade away, or lost highway can lock it, or someone can start a new political thread (2016 might not get off the ground just yet). Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Oh, this is SUCH a good day. It really doesn't bother me, but I'm glad you are happy. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 I think we're close to being ready for a lock, but I feel there is still a bit of denouement left in here. I think there are some things to look forward at, some promises to discuss and some perspective to be had. Here is the one that fascinates me: We had a candidate who couldn't be bothered by facts, and he was not elected. It seems the Republican party is ready to regroup and hopefully return to a former dignity, sanity and logic. The game is changing. This country is not a dumb, white country. It is a smart, multi-ethnic country. I have high hopes for how our conversations move forward because they provide the vitality for our democracy (and I'm not just talking about the board here). Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Respector addition. Link to post Share on other sites
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