Good Old Neon Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Right, it has nothing to do with the product it's selling. That was the whole point. It's just a song that happens to be on the radio while the action in the commercial is going down. Whereas if "She's a Jar" is playing over images of a jar, the song seems to be about the product itself rather than what it's actually about. I think the Volkswagon equivalent to using "She's a Jar" for mayonnaise would be "Cars Can't Escape". And this? One could also interpret the lyrics as the tow truck driver falling in love with the car's styling - changing the original intent of the lyric - no? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I'm doing a really bad job of getting my point across. And it's not even my point! Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Aman,I can see how you might feel that passion played a large roll in this controversy,but when is it just too much?I for one can say I am guilty of acting on passion,and that my passion can easily turn into agression.I just remember when I was younger,going to Phish shows and seeing how neggative people were to the bands music,yet going to every show on tour.Not that Wilco has that knid of fanbase,but what if it did,I bet it would look very much the same. I think people here are more likely to be less critical of Wilco and give them a pass on almost anything they do. I have a tendency to be too negative at times - I will freelly admit that. Maybe that is what separates the person who has thousands of cds/records/tapes from the person who merely listens to the radio once in a while - an overwhelming feeling of desire to speak freely on the music they are crazy about. I mean - I have done nutty things to get music before - such as skipped paying bills. I have also chosen music over friendships - I am not saying these things are right - just the sort of thing I have done in the past. Link to post Share on other sites
Kicking_Television Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 My hard drive crashed so i had no computer for a few days, and you guys go and piss off the family. sheesh. I mean - I have done nutty things to get music before - such as skipped paying bills. I have also chosen music over friendships - I am not saying these things are right - just the sort of thing I have done in the past. I have also done these things, especially the friendship part. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 My hard drive crashed so i had no computer for a few days, and you guys go and piss off the family. sheesh.I have also done these things, especially the friendship part. I am not quite that nutty these days - but I still get rather involved with music. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 For better or worse, commercial TV has become one of the few public forums where you'll occasionally hear snippets of good music. The radio? not so much. I'm surprised no one else has explicitly championed this statement. There's almost more of a sellout to get a song played on a mainstream radio station. Why would this be considered better than having your song play over a commercial? Is it because the actual money and/or collusion involved is harder to see? Getting the music out in the open is the most important thing, and there are just different avenues for it in 2007 than there were 20 or 30 years ago. Without trying to rehash the same arguments over and over again, I fail to see why this option (especially now) cheapens anything about the art unless a person chooses to allow just that to happen. Link to post Share on other sites
j4lackey Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Do you really need your love for the band to be justified by the masses?Wow, how old are you, that you are so wise? Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Genevieve Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I'm hoping someone will start a thread about this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I'm hoping someone will start a thread about this thread.A reality show crew is documenting the blog entry I'm working on about this thread - I'll start a thread containing a YouTube link to it once the deal with Apple is hashed out. Link to post Share on other sites
isadorah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 wow, I take a week to move and look what I miss. Thanks for posting the blog Sue. anyone remember when Bob Dylan was in a Victoria's Secret Commercial with his song "Love Sick" ??? i think someone asked or made mention that vw=ok viagra=not okay and questioned the difference. quality of design. vw puts a lot of thought and "art" into their commercials, if they didn't we wouldn't be able to mention the "pink moon" commercial (or remember that synchronicity commercial). you could even go onto their website and find out more about the bands that made the music for the commercials. that's how i found out about nick drake and i rarely even watch tv. you know a vw commercial when it comes on, you don't even have to see the car in it. Link to post Share on other sites
JHamm Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 For better or worse, commercial TV has become one of the few public forums where you'll occasionally hear snippets of good music. The radio? not so much. I forget who it was (I'm thinking it was John Mellencamp), but they said something along the lines that the best way for some bands to garner attention to their new CD is for their songs to be used in commercials. The VW commercials definitely won't make me want to go buy a new car but I think it's another avenue to advertise a new CD, somewhat like moxiebean says. Link to post Share on other sites
isadorah Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I forget who it was (I'm thinking it was John Mellencamp), but they said something along the lines that the best way for some bands to garner attention to their new CD is for their songs to be used in commercials. The VW commercials definitely won't make me want to go buy a new car but I think it's another avenue to advertise a new CD, somewhat like moxiebean says. I think you're right and that it was John Mellencamp that said that, during an interview on All Things Considered on NPR. His song is now the official song for Chevy and apparently helped his album sales immensely compared to trying for radio play. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 It's all the same to me - and I still think threads that have some meaningful discussion where many people participate is better than a bunch of random threads were only a few select people participate. Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Genevieve Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 A reality show crew is documenting the blog entry I'm working on about this thread - I'll start a thread containing a YouTube link to it once the deal with Apple is hashed out. Awesome - I'm hoping to see an ad for it on TV soon. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Awesome - I'm hoping to see an ad for it on TV soon.The commercial will use a song by my new punk band, Sharp Provolone. Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I think people here are more likely to be less critical of Wilco and give them a pass on almost anything they do. I have a tendency to be too negative at times - I will freelly admit that. Maybe that is what separates the person who has thousands of cds/records/tapes from the person who merely listens to the radio once in a while - an overwhelming feeling of desire to speak freely on the music they are crazy about. I mean - I have done nutty things to get music before - such as skipped paying bills. I have also chosen music over friendships - I am not saying these things are right - just the sort of thing I have done in the past.Wow,you really sound alot like myself....................so what sort of things do I have to look forward to in the next twenty years or so? Link to post Share on other sites
Kicking_Television Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I think you're right and that it was John Mellencamp that said that, during an interview on All Things Considered on NPR. His song is now the official song for Chevy and apparently helped his album sales immensely compared to trying for radio play. Which is a horrible horrible horrible song by the way Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Wow, how old are you, that you are so wise? I wasn Link to post Share on other sites
mkush001 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 The commercial will use a song by my new punk band, Sharp Provolone. sellout. Link to post Share on other sites
nutop Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I only listen to bands with less than 5 amazon reviews. Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 SUE IS JEWISH??!! OMG! Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Wow,you really sound alot like myself....................so what sort of things do I have to look forward to in the next twenty years or so? I wonder why that is. ha ha Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I think you're right and that it was John Mellencamp that said that, during an interview on All Things Considered on NPR. His song is now the official song for Chevy and apparently helped his album sales immensely compared to trying for radio play.I'm not sure that's the best example to use, if you're trying to convince others that the band has not sold out. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Maybe that is the new way - instead of videos, or singles, bands are going to do commercials. I still find it disturbing. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That's the really cool thing about debate for me. Sometimes it stretches the boundaries of my brain box...shifts my paradigms, pushes the envelope, shakes the sheets. Link to post Share on other sites
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