New Election Thread

[Party @ the Moontower]

Lammy Cat, where is this from?I like it.

Tree huggin

[bobbob1313]

Care to cite the 176 million figure?

 

As for "fuck": I maintain it's just a word, there's no need to get riled up or offended about it, especially if it's used simply as an additive to a sentence. But whatever.

[Lammycat]

It's a big waste with religious roots. Sex education works better than saying wait till marriage kids.Some people don't want to marry. Some people are told they can't marry. Some people like to bone...

I agree it's a waste. It think Palin might agree now, too, seeing as her daughter didn't benefit from the program her mom backed. I've got a feeling that may not fly with some supporters of McCain and the GOP. Which is what today's news has sparked.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Yes but I wonder how much federal money was spent on teaching sex ed and birth control. Less than that, I'll wager.

 

 

Yep But costs for unwed mothers goes up without birth control access and education.They have no prob taking care of that bill.

[ChooChooCharlie]

As for "fuck": I maintain it's just a word, there's no need to get riled up or offended about it, especially if it's used simply as an additive to a sentence. But whatever.

bob, you sound angry.

[Lammycat]

Lammy Cat, where is this from?I like it.

Tree huggin’, peace lovin’, pot smokin’, porn watchin’ lazyass hippies like me.

Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choic'en, gay weddin’, Widespread diggin’ hippies like me.

Skin color-blinded, conspiracy-minded, protestors of corporate greed,

We who have nothing and most likely will ‘till we all wind up locked up in jails

By conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight, white, American males,.

Todd Snider's tune "Conservative Christian White Wing Republican." Fun-lovin' guy and not a political animal.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Care to cite the 176 million figure?

 

As for "fuck": I maintain it's just a word, there's no need to get riled up or offended about it, especially if it's used simply as an additive to a sentence. But whatever.

 

Bobbob here is one from the Washington Post. It states the figure and that is has proven not to work but...The federal government spends $176 million a year on abstinence-only education, and millions more are spent every year in state and local matching grants. Harry Wilson, a top official in the Department of Health and Human Services, said yesterday that the administration has no intention of changing funding priorities in light of the results.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7041301003.html

[Lammycat]

Hey, if it works then keep spending....

[bobbob1313]

Bobbob here is one from the Washington Post. It states the figure and that is has proven not to work but...The federal government spends $176 million a year on abstinence-only education, and millions more are spent every year in state and local matching grants. Harry Wilson, a top official in the Department of Health and Human Services, said yesterday that the administration has no intention of changing funding priorities in light of the results.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7041301003.html

 

Thanks, wasn't questioning it. I'm looking to see how much, if any, the federal gov't spends on sex ed, but like someone said, 176 isn't really much at all.

 

And for the record at least in Florida, we don't have abstinence only, though they do stress that abstinence is the only 100% fail safe method.

[Lammycat]

And for the record at least in Florida, we don't have abstinence only, though they do stress that abstinence is the only 100% fail safe method.

Of course it is. But Palin supported abstinence only and it bit her family in the ass. That's the point.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Thanks, wasn't questioning it. I'm looking to see how much, if any, the federal gov't spends on sex ed, but like someone said, 176 isn't really much at all.

 

And for the record at least in Florida, we don't have abstinence only, though they do stress that abstinence is the only 100% fail safe method.

 

It's 176 plus some million here and there..based on a religious belief not to do it till marriage. Gay people are screwed on this one!

 

Bobbob, as a young Puerto Rican how do you, and possibly your young PR friends feel about Cynthia McKinney, the Green Party candidate, and Rosa Clemente the Black Puerto Rican VP canidate? I watched the Green Party Convention on the Free Speech channel, and McKinney is right on with my issues. Rosa, not so much. I was not impressed with her as a VP canidate, but as a person I think she has potential to go a long way.

[bobbob1313]

It's 176 plus some million here and there..based on a religious belief not to do it till marriage. Gay people are screwed on this one!

 

Bobbob, as a young Puerto Rican how do you, and possibly your young PR friends feel about Cynthia McKinney, the Green Party candidate, and Rosa Clemente the Black Puerto Rican VP canidate? I watched the Green Party Convention on the Free Speech channel, and McKinney is right on with my issues. Rosa, not so much. I was not impressed with her as a VP canidate, but as a person I think she has potential to go a long way.

 

Honestly, I haven't really looked into Clemente, but looking at her wiki page, I do like some things about her, including her support for independence for Puerto Rico and her history as an independent journalist. I don't know much about her politically, but I do hope that we start seeing more prominent Puerto Rican and hispanic in general figures on the national stage. Hispanics are woefully underrepresented politically, and I think that has a lot to do with the anti-hispanic immigration sentiment in many parts of the country.

 

I think, in many ways, there is much more racism aimed at latinos than blacks at this point.

 

That said, I never support people just based on race, and I won't begin to with her. I don't really fit in with the green party's politics.

[lost highway]

Sorry if this came up already. But from CNN our boy Obama has got class:

MONROE, Michigan (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

 

 

Sen. Barack Obama campaigns in Monroe, Michigan, on Monday.

 

"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

 

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

 

"How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits."

[Lammycat]

Shhh... he just doesn't want to dirty his hands.

[Wendy]

Sorry if this came up already. But from CNN our boy Obama has got class:

Yeah, it was mentioned already, but I like reading it again.

[Hixter]

Cynthia McKinney, the Green Party candidate

 

Just what the country needs, an angry 9/11 Truther in the White House.

[Analogman]

McCain fought money on teen pregnancy programs

 

By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

 

WASHINGTON - Republican John McCain, whose running mate disclosed that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, has opposed proposals to spend federal money on teen-pregnancy prevention programs and voted to require poor teen mothers to stay in school or lose their benefits.

 

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's announcement Monday about her daughter, Bristol, was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's. Palin said her daughter intends to raise her child and marry the baby's father, who was identified only by his first name, Levi. The baby is due in late December.

 

McCain's record on issues surrounding teen pregnancy and contraceptives during his more than two decades in the Senate indicates that he and Palin have similar views. Until Monday, when the subject surfaced in a deeply personal manner, teen pregnancy and sex education were not issues in the national political campaign.

 

Palin herself said she opposes funding sexual-education programs in Alaska.

 

"The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

 

McCain's position on contraceptives and teen pregnancy issues has been difficult to judge on the campaign trail, as he appears uncomfortable discussing such topics. Reporters asked the presumptive GOP presidential nominee in November 2007 whether he supported grants for sex education in the United States, whether such programs should include directions for using contraceptives and whether he supports President Bush's policy of promoting abstinence.

 

"Ahhh, I think I support the president's policy," McCain said.

 

When reporters pressed McCain whether the government should provide contraceptives or counseling on contraceptives, he replied, "You've stumped me." McCain said later that he was sure he opposed government spending on contraceptives.

 

The McCain campaign on Monday did not respond to repeated requests for information.

 

In Senate votes, McCain has opposed some proposals to pay for teen-pregnancy prevention programs. In 2006, McCain joined fellow Republicans in voting against a Senate Democratic proposal to send $100 million to communities for teen-pregnancy prevention programs that would have included sex education about contraceptives.

 

In 2005, McCain opposed a Senate Democratic proposal that would have spent tens of millions of dollars to pay for pregnancy prevention programs other than abstinence-only education, including education on emergency contraception such as the morning-after pill. The bill also would have required insurance companies that cover Viagra to also pay for prescription contraception.

 

McCain voted for the Family Support Act in 1988, which passed overwhelmingly in the Senate and required teen mothers who receive public assistance to remain in high school and, in some cases, to live with their parents.

 

"Young parents who have not completed high school will be required to stay in or return to school to complete the basic education so necessary to a productive life," said President Reagan, as he signed the law in October 1988.

 

McCain cited abortion, sex education and birth control as some of the issues on which he differed with Joycelyn Elders, former President Clinton's nominee for surgeon general. He quoted Elders as telling lawmakers that abortion has had positive health effects, including reducing the number of children "afflicted with severe defects."

 

"As a father of a number of young children, including an adopted daughter who was born with a birth defect, I am deeply, deeply troubled by these views," McCain said in a 1993 speech opposing Elders' confirmation.

 

Palin's fifth child, a son named Trig, was born in April with Down syndrome, a genetic abnormality that impedes physical, intellectual and language development. Conservatives supportive of Palin as McCain's running mate have praised her choice to deliver Trig even after the family learned about his condition during prenatal testing.

 

McCain said the country unarguably had a problem with teen pregnancy, but said Elders' approach would only make it worse. He said Elders started a program to distribute condoms in schools, but the rate of teen pregnancy actually rose in those counties. When it turned out many of the condoms were defective, Elders decided to continue the program rather than halt it or inform the public of the risk, McCain added.

[John Smith]

$176 Million is a piss in the bucket when considering government programs. Just saying.

 

Relative to the whole picture it is. But there are people out there who complain about a $100,000 grant and make it out to be the end of civilization. Also how about $27million for a town of 6,500 people? Is that a drop in the bucket? Or is it excessive?

[MrRain422]

And to supposed fiscal conservatives, it should be a huge deal.

[Analogman]

Democracy Now

 

By Holly Watt

ST. PAUL -- Democracy Now! radio host Amy Goodman and two producers were arrested while covering demonstrations at the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn. Goodman was released after being held for over three hours, but is still waiting to hear when Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar would be released.

 

"I was down on the convention floor interviewing delegates when I heard that two of our producers had been arrested," said Goodman. "I ran down to Jackson and 7th Street, where the police had moved in."

 

Goodman said that when she ran up to find out what was going on, she was also arrested.

 

"They seriously manhandled me and handcuffed my hands behind my back. The top ID [at the convention] is to get on the floor and the Secret Service ripped that off me. I had my Democracy Now! ID too. I was clearly a reporter."

 

Goodman, who was released after being charged with a misdemeanor, said that Salazar had been hurt in the face, while Kouddous had been thrown up against a wall and hurt his elbow.

 

"Nicole told me that as they moved in on three sides, she asked them 'How do I get away from this?' and they jumped on her."

 

Both Kouddous and Salazar could be held for up to 36 hours.

 

"One of the police kept shouting at me 'Shut up, shut up," she said. "It was extremely threatening."

[Sunken mountain]

. Hispanics are woefully underrepresented politically, and I think that has a lot to do with the anti-hispanic immigration sentiment in many parts of the country.

 

I think, in many ways, there is much more racism aimed at latinos than blacks at this point.

 

That said, I never support people just based on race, and I won't begin to with her. I don't really fit in with the green party's politics.

 

That

[Good Old Neon]

Bobbob here is one from the Washington Post. It states the figure and that is has proven not to work but...The federal government spends $176 million a year on abstinence-only education, and millions more are spent every year in state and local matching grants. Harry Wilson, a top official in the Department of Health and Human Services, said yesterday that the administration has no intention of changing funding priorities in light of the results.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7041301003.html

 

And since the teaching of abstinence fails to take into account the entirety of our evolutionary past and our species

[Analogman]

Welcome to the new Dark Age, only this one is better because it involves nuclear weapons.

 

That is a good idea for a book.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Just what the country needs, an angry 9/11 Truther in the White House.

 

 

McKinney is a joke, as well as Rosa. I just think the Green Party should be allowed to debate.

[Party @ the Moontower]

Democracy Now

 

This is Bullshit! I watched this last night on Democracy Now. Somehow this is missing the mainstream media...how sweet. I also mentioned it yesterday with links and everyone went right over it without even a mention. This is truly un-American and scary as hell.