lost highway Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I keep marveling at what Republican citizens are willing to put up with, and the amount of cognitive dissonance they can hold just to faithfully back a president. When fucking Paul Ryan says that Russians meddled in the election, when former head of the CIA calls Trump's behavior treasonous, when the Feds are indicting Russians and Trump staffers .... but STILL these Republican voters are cool with it. I never thought I'd say it, but where is Ronald Reagan when you need him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/7/statement-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-on-trump-putin-meeting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/7/statement-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-on-trump-putin-meeting I had to send this to my parents, Trump supporters who also love McCain. We'll see if I'm disowned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I had to send this to my parents, Trump supporters who also love McCain. We'll see if I'm disowned. They have to decide, are they Trump supporters, or Republicans. At this point you can't be both in good faith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 They have to decide, are they Trump supporters, or Republicans. At this point you can't be both in good faith. I got a terse "Sorry. Don't agree." reply, so I guess that settles it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chez Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I emailed by Congressman yesterday -- Peter Roskam (R.IL) expressing my outrage at the statements made by Trump at the press conference and pleading with him to rebuke Trump. I can't stand Roskam and fully expected him to say nothing (his usual m.o.) or to fall in line with Trump. Last night, to my [pleasant] surprise, Roskam tweeted a statement that sounded like it was cribbed from the Paul Ryan statement. There needs to a bipartisan proclamation or resolution coming from both the House and the Senate supporting the findings and conclusions of the intelligence community and disavowing all support of President Trump on the election meddling issue. Anything short of that IMO is complicity. This is serious stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I got a terse "Sorry. Don't agree." reply, so I guess that settles it. Now that Trump has backpedaled and claims he misspoke, ask them again. Which version of events do they stand by? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownie Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The way he backpedalled today came across so amateurish, didn’t it? At this point I’m finding it incredible this man was able to run any kind of successful business. If I wasn’t an American, I would be laughing my head off over the events of the last two days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Now that Trump has backpedaled and claims he misspoke, ask them again. Which version of events do they stand by? Uh, yeah, no. Regardless of their answer, I'm sure to be disappointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 The way he backpedalled today came across so amateurish, didn’t it? At this point I’m finding it incredible this man was able to run any kind of successful business. If I wasn’t an American, I would be laughing my head off over the events of the last two days.i mean, if the entire press conference lasted for just that one sentence, he *might* have a semi-plausible case (if we ignore all the other shit he's continually lied about before that). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 The way he backpedalled today came across so amateurish, didn’t it? At this point I’m finding it incredible this man was able to run any kind of successful business. If I wasn’t an American, I would be laughing my head off over the events of the last two days. The fact that he backpedaled at all is telling. That's not something he does, so you know he's feeling some heat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Mr. Heartbreak Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Very sobering, and disheartening, assessment from John Dean here: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/watergate-john-dean-why-trump-will-survive-russia-scandal-2-700723/"I doubt Trump will be forced from office, even if Mueller has tapes of him talking with Putin about how to rig the election. While we might have a Democratic House after the 2018 elections, which could impeach Trump, I do not see the needed 67 votes in the Senate to find him guilty and remove him from office. And given the fact he is shameless, he will never resign." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boss_Tweedy Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 George Will pulled no punches: https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/this-sad-embarrassing-wreck-of-a-man/2018/07/17/d06de8ea-89e8-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html?noredirect=on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 "Your favorite president did nothing wrong." I feel like the writers from the Simpsons cooked up that one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Is this fucking guy for real? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Apparently today is not a HOAX, WITCH HUNT, FAKE NEWS day. You'll need to wait until tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I grew up with moderate Republican parents. I was a bit more liberal than them but remained a registered Republican until two years ago. I probably split my vote 65 / 35 Republican v. Democrat over the years (I'm 4-2 Republican in presidential elections). Having said that, it seems like the last two years have gone against every value I was taught growing up. Honesty, racial equity, compassion (if not necessarily generous government support) for the poor, refugee, and immigrant, a free press, fiscal responsibility, suspicion against Russian and other autocrats, respect and friendship for political opponents, free trade, and a general respect for human rights in general. I'm sure I've forgotten others. Every day is another horror show that I hope we will slowly be able to crawl out of, but fear we will not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Inside of Outside Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Longtime registered independent who has probably voted 65-35 Democrat over the years. Recently registered as a Democrat. I'm not sure if the Republican Party should be renamed the Trump Party or the Fascist Party. Regardless, it is not the Republican Party we knew in the 80s and 90s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I grew up with moderate Republican parents. I was a bit more liberal than them but remained a registered Republican until two years ago. I probably split my vote 65 / 35 Republican v. Democrat over the years (I'm 4-2 Republican in presidential elections). Having said that, it seems like the last two years have gone against every value I was taught growing up. Honesty, racial equity, compassion (if not necessarily generous government support) for the poor, refugee, and immigrant, a free press, fiscal responsibility, suspicion against Russian and other autocrats, respect and friendship for political opponents, free trade, and a general respect for human rights in general. I'm sure I've forgotten others. Every day is another horror show that I hope we will slowly be able to crawl out of, but fear we will not.UC2P I've always respected the hell out of you regardless of our voting habits. I'm probably viewed as "The Hard Left" here in Central IN but that certainly wouldn't be the case if I lived on the West Coast or in the Northeast. I've always thought of myself as a left-leaning centrist. What's going on now is nothing short of an abomination. I would like to feel that we're an example of how people don't have to drink the kool-aid, we realize at the end of the day we're really not THAT far apart. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 This map is really fascinating... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/election-2016-voting-precinct-maps.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Man - there is a lot different shades of red on that map..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 This map is really fascinating... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/election-2016-voting-precinct-maps.htmlYou're right. Surprised to see some blue in my suburban area. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 It is kind of funny that the site tells you how long it will take you to drive to the nearest Trump or Clinton voting district - in case someone needs to hightail it out of somewhere, I guess...It will take me 15 minutes to get the nearest Trump district -- - oddly enough, the area they point me to is my parents neighborhood. They both voted for Clinton, so I will be a safe house, in a way. Out of my two sisters, my brother, and my parents - I am the only one that lives a Clinton area. Even my sister who lives up near Minneapolis lives in a Trump pocket. Of course I think my two sister both voted for Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 You're right. Surprised to see some blue in my suburban area. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk I'm shocked that my old neighborhood in MI (which I felt was very conservative) went 55% for Clinton, but my new neighborhood in hippy-dippy southern CA went 52% Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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